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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7494507" data-attributes="member: 6795602">No.  We still do it.  Just because more classes have ultimately changed your conception of what defines each class doesn't mean you don't still do it.Have you forgotten the basic rules of 5e are free and only include 4 classes?  So going from a game world where fighter there is clearly the strongest and most able to endure pain (at least if you want him to be) then you already have your concept of what your fighter based on what other classes are in the game.  Introducing a barbarian  to such a game would destroy your class concept.  Likewise if the barbarian was available when you began the game then if you were creating a character towards the strongest most able to endure pain concept then you wouldn't have picked fighter in the first place but instead picked barbarian.  Having the option available changes the realities of what a class is and represents in the game.  So if a player dislikes multiclassing for whatever reason.  Then allowing multiclassing to be in the game does actively take away some from the concepts he is able to play because class concepts are relative to the other classes / multiclass combinations that are in the game and since he won't multiclass then those represented in this game by multiclassing are out for him.  If such a game had remained single class based then one of the single class characters would now fit that conceptual space the best and he could play whatever concept you think got removed by not having multiclassing.Unless you are talking classless RPG's then class concept is derived for most people from the classes fluff and mechanics.  So I think you are reaching a bit here.Also don't try to obscure what is happening just because the best examples can be found in lower class games.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist in high number of class games, it's just that it is harder to spot.If it has already been established that Fighters exist in the world and he has accepted that then he won't be mad but his concept won't necessarily rely on being the strongest etc as it may have otherwise.Taking away someones class concept just because you want more options is never justified.  Also, saying they can play it if they want but only having it available to be played through multiclassing or some other mechanic they personally dislike is just as bad.</blockquote>

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