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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7495712" data-attributes="member: 23751">"Anyway, let's look at what happens:- Evil NPC charms/dominates strongman who refuses to use his strength- Evil NPC orders strongman to tear open the bars or lift a 160 pound sack of potatoes, which anyone with a strength of 8 or higher would find easy as pie.- Strongman rolls, with his -4 penalty, and fails. (Or possibly succeeds, in which case the whole table erupts in cheers.) - Evil NPC first mocks the PC ("I thought you were this Colossus?"), and finally rages impotently against these useless puppets he wastes his precious time dominating."Why'd you stop at tearing open bars?  Why not make it lifting a mountain or other such feat of strength?  As long as you were going to make a ridiculous example, you might as well have gone completely over the top.  There are tons of feats of strength that your character would fail at, that would require no roll whatsoever for anyone with an 8 or higher strength, and yet you're concept fails because it is broken.</blockquote>