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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Galloglaich" data-source="post: 5197070" data-attributes="member: 77019">Those concepts were in the game, but you didn't have to live in the midst of them unless you wanted to.  In my game it was just "you stumbled into a hole, roll the dice to see if you fall in" and you can look at the chart or not look at the chart.  You don't need to have a stack of poker chips or cards or miniatures to keep track of your buff or your healing surges or whatever, and you don't have to play on a battlemap etc.Yes and there has been a disconnect on that (cure light wounds anyone) since the first edition of the game.  The concept is still all kinds of broken... if it is just a "fatigue surge" maybe they should call it that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Personally I think it comes from computer games.I had issues with 3.5 power creep thing they are talking about in the other part of the thread as well.  And I like history, literature, mythology, martial arts, and I like to put these elements into my game.  I really honestly can't see any way to do that in 4E.   To do it in 3.X i had to make my own game, but it was at least possible.  When they started making it so hard-wired to a specific play style (and got rid of OGL) I got annoyed. Basically I want DnD to be a more flexible game so you can play it  lot  of different ways... like a horror movie or like a Jack Vance novel or like an Icelandic Saga or a Lovecraft story.  I think DnD is the gateway RPG and should have room for people who like to play  the way I do and people who like to play the way you do at the same time.  I suspect  there is quite a gap there.On the other hand I'm a big fan of Nifft the Lean, and all of Michael Sheas other Vance-spinoff novels though.  So if that is where your name here comes from we must have something in common <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.G.</blockquote>

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