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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5200423" data-attributes="member: 48965">Well let's think for a minute... The DMG was released in...Sept 2000, I believe the first player-centric splatbook (featuring PRC's) was Sword & Fist which was released in January 2001, that's a 3 month span between the two. Now unless development and lead times have drastically increased since 2000, I can only assume WotC purposefully put them in player centric products since these products were designed before any measure of popularity could be gauged.  Oh, you mean like the Player's Guide to the Sabatt? Which was a guide for players to create and run Sabatt PC's. I don't think this is exactly the same thing as a part of the game designed to be purely GM territory, and only in GM books. This is like claiming the Dragonblooded in Exalted were only suppose to be GM antagonists and not played as characters because they first showed up as antagonists... yet they got a fatsplat for players.    I'm curious what exactly did your players throw a fit about not being able to use from these books?    Uhmm... I'm not trying to hurt your feelings (not even sure where that came from). So what exactly are your thoughts on why?    Why is it that some people often exaggerate beyond it being their own oppinion (as opposed to a real fact) that they somehow must use things from various books in D&D? I guess I'm so used to running 3.5 where I as DM say these are the books I am using in my campaign, and then listing anything from those books I disallow... that I haven't had the experience of a player showing up with some random, out of nowhere, game element and trying to force it on me. Of course if they did I would just say no or yes depending on my evaluation of it.  I must say after reading your second paragraph, I find it strange that (especially with DDI) one of your playershasn't requested the hybrid rules, especially as you've had players who went through DMG 2 and Unearthed Arcana scouring for stuff to use.  No need to be sorry, I didn't loose an element I enjoyed... I still have my 3.5 books (and the hybrid rules for 4e). Though I would like to see some more of these elements in 4e. Perhaps the Dark Sun Defiler rules will also be this type of game element.</blockquote>

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