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<blockquote data-quote="Kaptain_Kantrip" data-source="post: 164714" data-attributes="member: 546"><p>Erik:</p><p></p><p>I thought the book was very good overall (about on par with Legions of Hell), but had two big problems with it: </p><p></p><p>1) I disliked the qlippoths (the cataboligne demons in Dragon #295 were more interesting and creepier looking, if even more vaguely defined as a race than the qlippoth). </p><p></p><p>2) While I liked the concept of the Thaumaturge class, the execution was mangled so badly as to be a waste of space that would have been better served by including the Abyssal Dragon. Sorry to be so harsh, but the class doesn't work, even on an NPC only level. The corruption tables might be useful with some tweaking as a baseline for Lankhmar Black Wizard penalties... The feats are good but must not force additional corruptions on the character choosing them. You would be better off being a cleric or cleric/sorcerer than a thaumaturge as it is currently written, which is a shame, as I had high hopes for this class.</p><p></p><p>Now to the praise: I thought you did an EXCELLENT job on defining the motives, interests and cults of the various demon princes, making them much more understandable (and even sympathetic in some cases) than any previous game treatment. They seem less like inscrutable monsters and more like "real people." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Thanks for putting in the sneaky stuff on the classic princes, too, BTW, so we're not "in the dark" on these guys domains. Too bad we couldn't have gotten more details, but that's the way of IP/PI laws, LOL.</p><p></p><p>Most of the new demons were very cool, especially the incubus. The succubus should have corresponding powers, IMO, otherwise they're just eye candy with no real "teeth."</p><p></p><p>The new domains and spells were fun and more than I expected.</p><p></p><p>So, I'm pleased with my purchase overall, and despite some rough edges (Legions had some too), Armies of the Abyss is a sourcebook I gladly endorse and recommend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kaptain_Kantrip, post: 164714, member: 546"] Erik: I thought the book was very good overall (about on par with Legions of Hell), but had two big problems with it: 1) I disliked the qlippoths (the cataboligne demons in Dragon #295 were more interesting and creepier looking, if even more vaguely defined as a race than the qlippoth). 2) While I liked the concept of the Thaumaturge class, the execution was mangled so badly as to be a waste of space that would have been better served by including the Abyssal Dragon. Sorry to be so harsh, but the class doesn't work, even on an NPC only level. The corruption tables might be useful with some tweaking as a baseline for Lankhmar Black Wizard penalties... The feats are good but must not force additional corruptions on the character choosing them. You would be better off being a cleric or cleric/sorcerer than a thaumaturge as it is currently written, which is a shame, as I had high hopes for this class. Now to the praise: I thought you did an EXCELLENT job on defining the motives, interests and cults of the various demon princes, making them much more understandable (and even sympathetic in some cases) than any previous game treatment. They seem less like inscrutable monsters and more like "real people." ;) Thanks for putting in the sneaky stuff on the classic princes, too, BTW, so we're not "in the dark" on these guys domains. Too bad we couldn't have gotten more details, but that's the way of IP/PI laws, LOL. Most of the new demons were very cool, especially the incubus. The succubus should have corresponding powers, IMO, otherwise they're just eye candy with no real "teeth." The new domains and spells were fun and more than I expected. So, I'm pleased with my purchase overall, and despite some rough edges (Legions had some too), Armies of the Abyss is a sourcebook I gladly endorse and recommend. [/QUOTE]
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