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<blockquote data-quote="Gondsman" data-source="post: 5681699" data-attributes="member: 90057"><p>That's all well and good as long as there is transparency and the Players have some reasonable chance of figuring out your justification of bad guy tactics. When you deliberately make it harder when the Players don't do what you would have done.....I can't say anything nice about that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ultimately, i have a hard time listening to someone tell me that REALISTICALLY the Fire Giant and Hell Hounds wouldn't have done it differently, when Realistically there is no such thing as a Fire Giant or a Hell Hound. I think people who get hung up about games not agreeing with their own personal logic on mechanics need a new hobby. </p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to be a (insert noun here) about this, but I started this thread just to ask if there was an obscurely published rule and ask for some good ideas, but i picked a rule to ask about that was one of these "realism" debates. my feeling is that if the publishers of a game didn't make a rule about it, then whatever gets decided should be intended to make the game more fun for the players, not the GM, and if the players really want to screw themselves over for realism sake, let 'em, otherwise....</p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, I'm fully capable of not thinking about whether my make-believe paladin is sleeping in something that hasn't been designed for comfort. It doesn't bother me at all. I play for interesting puzzles, tactical situations, and looting cool stuff, but more than that, I'm playing for the fun of a bunch of guys around a table making stupid noises and talking in funny accents and eating junk food late into the night, not arguing about the rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And i'll tell you what, I ever play with a DM who always targets the leader first and basically ignores the defender, I'm never sacrificing dps for anything else again. We'll just roll parties of int or dex based strikers and focus on a healing power here and there and blow all our money on healing potions. You want to take away my fun? I'll take the game right back at ya, and if you change tactics to spite me? I'll take my game somewhere else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>**I just want everyone to know, i'm tired, i've had a rough day, but I ask no excuse whatsoever for my comments, it's the way i feel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gondsman, post: 5681699, member: 90057"] That's all well and good as long as there is transparency and the Players have some reasonable chance of figuring out your justification of bad guy tactics. When you deliberately make it harder when the Players don't do what you would have done.....I can't say anything nice about that. Ultimately, i have a hard time listening to someone tell me that REALISTICALLY the Fire Giant and Hell Hounds wouldn't have done it differently, when Realistically there is no such thing as a Fire Giant or a Hell Hound. I think people who get hung up about games not agreeing with their own personal logic on mechanics need a new hobby. I'm not trying to be a (insert noun here) about this, but I started this thread just to ask if there was an obscurely published rule and ask for some good ideas, but i picked a rule to ask about that was one of these "realism" debates. my feeling is that if the publishers of a game didn't make a rule about it, then whatever gets decided should be intended to make the game more fun for the players, not the GM, and if the players really want to screw themselves over for realism sake, let 'em, otherwise.... Personally, I'm fully capable of not thinking about whether my make-believe paladin is sleeping in something that hasn't been designed for comfort. It doesn't bother me at all. I play for interesting puzzles, tactical situations, and looting cool stuff, but more than that, I'm playing for the fun of a bunch of guys around a table making stupid noises and talking in funny accents and eating junk food late into the night, not arguing about the rules. And i'll tell you what, I ever play with a DM who always targets the leader first and basically ignores the defender, I'm never sacrificing dps for anything else again. We'll just roll parties of int or dex based strikers and focus on a healing power here and there and blow all our money on healing potions. You want to take away my fun? I'll take the game right back at ya, and if you change tactics to spite me? I'll take my game somewhere else. **I just want everyone to know, i'm tired, i've had a rough day, but I ask no excuse whatsoever for my comments, it's the way i feel. [/QUOTE]
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