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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TaranTheWanderer" data-source="post: 8798250" data-attributes="member: 15882">If you wanted to go back to the old Lethal/non-lethal damage types from 3e(which I always found worked well),  I have a book called 'Grim Tales' (it's kind of based on d20modern).  In it, they have armour convert lethal damage to non-lethal.For instance, if you take 10 points of damage from a sword but are wearing full plate (armour 8), your hit points drops by 2 points but you gain 8 points of non-lethal damage.When your hit point total is less than your non-lethal hit point total, you are rendered unconscious.Edit:  this also does not increase the amount of hits it takes to drop a person.  It just makes it less deadly when you drop.</blockquote>