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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 737958" data-attributes="member: 2525">What are you talking about? Damage Reduction and Vitality-Wound points are not linked at all. There is no conversion necessary.  You don't need a vitality-wound system to use damage reduction - in fact it is right there in the d20 Modern rules already under the Tough Hero's talents.How are we not communicating here?  I will give you an example to spell it out:Example 1:Armor X confers a Damage Reduction of 2.  Character wearing armor X has a Con of 10.  He takes 11 points of damage, which usually means his Massive Damage Threshold has been reached and he would have to make a Massive Damage saving throw vs. DC 15 or go to -1 hit points.  However, the armor absorbs 2 points of damage, making the damage 9 instead of 11.  Therefore he no longer needs to make a Massive Damage saving through.Example 2:Armor X confers a +2 bonus to Massive Damage Threshold.  Character wearing armor X has a Con of 10.  He takes 11 points of damage, which usually means his Massive Damage Threshold has been reached and he would have to make a Massive Damage saving throw vs. DC 15 or go to -1 hit points.  However, the armor increased his Massive Damage Threshold to 12 instead of 10.  Therefore he no longer needs to make a Massive Damage saving through.There, see, same results as far as the Massive Damage issue.  No conversion to anything. No would or vitality points.I am not asking you for a story. I think you are basing your house ruling decisions on completely false assumptions. I think you are stuck in a D&D way of thinking, where people's attack bonuses reached very high numbers when their levels get high - when that is not the case in d20 Modern.  Others seem to agree with me on this one.  Just give me a very short, simple example of a high level character whose average attack bonus is materially higher than the average defense bonus IN D20 MODERN (and not D&D).  I think you will find your assumptions are flawed.</blockquote>

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