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<blockquote data-quote="webrunner" data-source="post: 4773982" data-attributes="member: 63727"><p>IT knows what you've done to it. What you have done to it is caused the "Marked" condition.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't know what you're GOING to do to it. </p><p></p><p>Note, that this is different then, say, the Swordmage or Paladin marks, which are explictly part of the special mark effect. Being marked by other means don't have the rider.</p><p></p><p></p><p>To put it in another perspective, if you multiclass into Warden as a Paladin, and use the group mark on all the targets, you don't get Divine Challenge radiant damage. It is a different ability. If you multiclass into Warden as a fighter, and use the group mark, you still get your attack if they try to shift. That is built into the fighter, and not the method of marking.</p><p></p><p>If a bard uses it's special "mark someone by someone else" power, the monster wouldn't know about combat challenge then.. the fighter wasn't even involved in the attack other than being a secondary target! But Combat Challenge doesn't differentiate between ways in which the target is marked- it only cares <strong>whether</strong> the target is marked or not.</p><p></p><p>That the fighter can whack you is not a condition imposed on the monster by a power the fighter has. It's an ability the fighter has that depends on marked targets.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet another way:</p><p>IF it was worded something like, "Whenever you mark a creature, if that creature-" that would be a condition imposed on the creature at the time of the mark, but it's not, it says "Whenever a creature who is marked by you-"</p><p></p><p>Nothing happens to the creature except being marked when it's marked. So it doesn't know about combat challenge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="webrunner, post: 4773982, member: 63727"] IT knows what you've done to it. What you have done to it is caused the "Marked" condition. It doesn't know what you're GOING to do to it. Note, that this is different then, say, the Swordmage or Paladin marks, which are explictly part of the special mark effect. Being marked by other means don't have the rider. To put it in another perspective, if you multiclass into Warden as a Paladin, and use the group mark on all the targets, you don't get Divine Challenge radiant damage. It is a different ability. If you multiclass into Warden as a fighter, and use the group mark, you still get your attack if they try to shift. That is built into the fighter, and not the method of marking. If a bard uses it's special "mark someone by someone else" power, the monster wouldn't know about combat challenge then.. the fighter wasn't even involved in the attack other than being a secondary target! But Combat Challenge doesn't differentiate between ways in which the target is marked- it only cares [B]whether[/B] the target is marked or not. That the fighter can whack you is not a condition imposed on the monster by a power the fighter has. It's an ability the fighter has that depends on marked targets. Yet another way: IF it was worded something like, "Whenever you mark a creature, if that creature-" that would be a condition imposed on the creature at the time of the mark, but it's not, it says "Whenever a creature who is marked by you-" Nothing happens to the creature except being marked when it's marked. So it doesn't know about combat challenge. [/QUOTE]
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