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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4774509" data-attributes="member: 70874">I don't know what ideal world you're talking about, but in the one that currently exists, the wizard is throwing out d6's and d8's. And the fighter will be throwing out d8->d12's.[with a 5% higher chance to hit due to his one handed bonus]Attacking the wizard will affect the number of rounds he can do damage. If he is trying to maximize, then getting another hit in every round can severely reduce his expected damage over the entire fight.And any time its anything other than "surge" you're evening out the system in favor of the wizard. Also, at level 6, for a warlord its 2d6, an average of 7 more hit points. For a Cleric is 2d6+wisdom. For a bard, its 1d6+charismaConsidering the fighter in question has 18 hit point healing surge, and the 10 con wizard has a 12 hit point healing surge your real comparison should be roughly at 25 vs 19One of the best things a fighter can do is get next to a ranged enemy. If it shifts it gets whacked, if it attacks the fighter, it gets whacked[or uses a very weak attack], if it moves it gets whacked, if it attacks the wizard, it gets whacked TWICE.Furthermore[as you've already ignored], you don't have to assume only melee combatants, you only have to assume one. Why? Because the enemies goal is to win, and if they spread their damage around they're going to have just as many problems. Except you don't have to, because your defender can move, and in fact, probably move much more easily than your melee enemy trying to get close to the wizard considering your fighter's OA's end all enemies movement and get a nice big bonus equal to the fighters wisdom score.The moral of the story is you're not going to be a more effective defender if your AC is closer to your allies[assuming your allies are low], you're going to be a more dead defender.</blockquote>

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