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<blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4775276" data-attributes="member: 70874"><p>I suggest you actually go read Divine Challenge and Aegis of Assault and note that they are both powers with special applications.</p><p></p><p>Then you should go and read combat challenge and note that it is not, that it has two separate advantages for the fighter. The first advantage is that every attack me makes marks. Stop, end of ability. The second advantage is that he can take an action when any marked creature that has that mark assigned to him, from ANY source, be it a utility power, be it another classes at will, be it a multi-class power that lets him mark all adjacent creatures for a round, is able to attack with a melee basic attack as an immediate interrupt.</p><p></p><p>This is separate from the Divine Challenge and Aegis marks because those marks make special allowance for the specific mark created by the power. The ability that they grant is tied ONLY to the mark created by the power and is not a separate ability by itself. If they get a mark assigned to them by any other means, that mark does not grant the special mark abilities.</p><p></p><p>As well, the damaging abilities present in Divine Challenge and Aegis of Assault are specifically listed in the power block with the mark in question.</p><p></p><p>There is no equivalence, there is no wiggle room either RAI or RAW.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No staff of defense, underleveled armor, Cloth Armor.</p><p></p><p>Just look at the AC at level 1 to compare. The wizard has an AC of 15. Base+int=15. Which goes as high as 18[base+int+leather+staff]. He can eventually upgrade to hide, and hide specialization for an AC of Base+int+4+1].</p><p></p><p>A rogue has a base AC of at least 16. [10+dex+leather] With as high as 18[10+Dex+hide=10+5+3]. He can eventually get a light shield and specialization for an AC of base+dex+3+2</p><p></p><p>To compare, a fighter will have an AC of [Base+9+2] but will have a slightly better bonus from armor strength. This puts their AC's roughly equal to each other before bonus items[Super staff of defense] or paragon path bonuses[pit fighter]. Supposing the rogue or wizard started out with a 20 in their AC stat the fighter will be 1 ahead after specialization and 2 ahead after pit fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goumindong, post: 4775276, member: 70874"] I suggest you actually go read Divine Challenge and Aegis of Assault and note that they are both powers with special applications. Then you should go and read combat challenge and note that it is not, that it has two separate advantages for the fighter. The first advantage is that every attack me makes marks. Stop, end of ability. The second advantage is that he can take an action when any marked creature that has that mark assigned to him, from ANY source, be it a utility power, be it another classes at will, be it a multi-class power that lets him mark all adjacent creatures for a round, is able to attack with a melee basic attack as an immediate interrupt. This is separate from the Divine Challenge and Aegis marks because those marks make special allowance for the specific mark created by the power. The ability that they grant is tied ONLY to the mark created by the power and is not a separate ability by itself. If they get a mark assigned to them by any other means, that mark does not grant the special mark abilities. As well, the damaging abilities present in Divine Challenge and Aegis of Assault are specifically listed in the power block with the mark in question. There is no equivalence, there is no wiggle room either RAI or RAW. No staff of defense, underleveled armor, Cloth Armor. Just look at the AC at level 1 to compare. The wizard has an AC of 15. Base+int=15. Which goes as high as 18[base+int+leather+staff]. He can eventually upgrade to hide, and hide specialization for an AC of Base+int+4+1]. A rogue has a base AC of at least 16. [10+dex+leather] With as high as 18[10+Dex+hide=10+5+3]. He can eventually get a light shield and specialization for an AC of base+dex+3+2 To compare, a fighter will have an AC of [Base+9+2] but will have a slightly better bonus from armor strength. This puts their AC's roughly equal to each other before bonus items[Super staff of defense] or paragon path bonuses[pit fighter]. Supposing the rogue or wizard started out with a 20 in their AC stat the fighter will be 1 ahead after specialization and 2 ahead after pit fighter. [/QUOTE]
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