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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4776914" data-attributes="member: 70874">No, they are not similar. One is a explicit listing of a powers effects. One is an explicit listing of another ability.We know this RAW because combat challenge is not a single power, its an ability that grants multiple bonuses. Now, if combat challenge were a separate power that was "free action: whenever you attack an enemy you may also mark that enemy, and if that marked enemy does not attack you, or shifts you can make make a melee basic attack as a immediate interrupt against them" then you would have an argument to RAW. But it doesn't, so you don't. We know this RAI because1. Its changed in the compendium2. There ability works on all marks created from all targets so long as those marked targets are assigned to the fighter.Look, we've already given you multiple examples of how it works, how similar abilities work, and why they work that way. Either you have some argument other than "nuh uh" or "its too confusing", or "fighters aren't sticky without my rule interpretation", all of which have been thoroughly refuted, or you should stop posting.Anyway, how about another example for good measure. Some items have both properties and powers. If you get hit with a weapon that has both a property and a power, you do not know the specifics of the power even if that power ties into the property of the weapon. Even if that power is an interrupt ability that requires the triggering creature to have been affected with the property.In fact, we can do one better. Lets say someone had a power that let them interrupt an attack against an ally and take all the damage instead. Lets say this power is on a Paladin who is in a party with a fighter and a bard. Lets say the bard marks the baddy for the fighter and then the baddy attacks the bard. The fighter interrupts that ability with his CC and the Paladin interrupt that ability with the CC. What is the difference between the two? A: Nothing, both had a condition imposed, both triggered off the exact same event, both were using separate powers from the mark ability.Now, if you really want to get confusing, in order for your intrepretation to make any sense, you would have to say that:If an enemy is marked by the fighter from a source that is not an attack, then he does not know about combat challenge.  If an enemy is marked by the fighter from a source that is an attack from the fighter, then he does know about the combat challenge.Why do we know this? Because the combat challenge apparently only modifies fighter abilities and is not a separate ability[well, besides the fact that it is a separate ability, and its the fighters prime advantage over other defenders]. So now you have to justify two combat challenge abilities in the rules.One that is tied to the attacks and one that isn't. BUT WAIT, it gets worse. The fighter could simply always use the one that wasn't tied to the power, negating your intrepretaiton even if it were true[since the fighter could just avoid it]. BUT WAIT, it gets worse, the fighter could use the marked interrupt ability when he wanted enemies to know he was going to hit them but the other ability when he didn't want enemies to know he was going to hit them! Now the DM has to keep track of marks created by the fighter and marks created by the figthters attacks and marks assigned to the fighter created by someone else, because each one of them has a different rule intrepretation with regards to what the enemy knows.All of that is, of course, ridiculous. If the enemy simply doesn't know what is up until the power is activated, at which point he knows exactly what is up. Exactly as the rules state; there is no confusion. Once the fighter has whacked someone, enemies know that when they're marked by fighter attacks and fighter powers and other powers where the mark is simply assinged to the fighter that the fighter is going to whack them if they don't attack the fighter.</blockquote>

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