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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4777522" data-attributes="member: 70874">What in the world are you talking about. Combat Challenge is two different abilities. This has nothing at all to do with the rules for monster knowledge[at this point]. It does not matter until you apply the rules for monster knowledge which state they know what you do to them. Since its two different bonuses and not an single power[which the Paladin's mark and Swordmages mark explicitly are] you only apply the monster knowledge rule to what you explicitly do to them. You do not add more monster knowledge that the rules do not explicitly call for.So let me make this explicitly freaking clear for youThere is one rule for monster knowledge: "Monsters know what you have done to them and what conditions you have imposed"Now, there are TWO different type of mark powers1. A mark power that places a mark on an enemy, this mark makes them take a -2 penalty if they attack anyone but the person in question.2. A mark power that places a special mark on the enemy, this mark makes them take a -2 penalty if they attack anyone but the person in question AND they will take extra damage or be subject to another attack if they do that.If we apply the monster knowledge rule to our two types of mark, the monster knows different things having been marked. Why? Is there a separate rule? No, there are separate powers which do different things and so the enemy knows different things.If its the first type of mark power, the monster knows he has been marked and will take a -2 penalty if he attacks someone else.If its the second type of mark power, the monster knows he has been marked and will take a -2 penalty and possibly damage if he attacks someone else.The fighters mark is the first type of mark, not the second type of mark. There is much evidence for this. Not the least of which that combat challenge is not described in a power block in the PHB, that in the compendium, the immediate interrupt ability is explicitly its own power, that the CC description in the PBH makes no mention of the mark being special[which it would if it was]. With RAI clearly being that the fighter can make CC attacks against marked creatures when the mark does not come from his attack. Etc etc etc.That is what is important here. The combat challenge immediate interrupt is not a rider on the power that marks, its a separate power that has a trigger based on when a mark does something. This is entirely consistent with the one and only rule about monster knowledge. Now stop lying about my position. I've explained this many times. I've explained how its not an exception to the single monster knowledge rule. I've explained how it works with the single monster knowledge rule. I've explained other similar scenarios that work just like this under the single monster knowledge rule. I've even explained how your interpretation literally cannot be true.</blockquote>

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