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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4778034" data-attributes="member: 5890">And the wizard hits 3+ targets and sustains another multi-target effect.Actually you can. Your goal is to reduce all opposing characters to zero hitpoints before they reduce you and your allies to zero.You're well within rights to say "if I lose 1/2 of a guy, but kill one of their guys, that's better than if I kill 1/4 of their guys.", which is pretty much exactly what I'm saying.Theres many variables being ignored here because they're simply too complex, and this is just one of them. Even if we assume that every single heal comes from a power with bonuses, the numbers don't shift that much.Yes, you're absolutely right. So the formula for whomever you've marked shifts even further in favour of ignoring you and just attacking the current focus target.Ah, so you're saying that the defender's job is simply to take up a square on the battlefield, and that pretty much covers it?Sure you are: you just did it above. You're simply stating "well, my tactic X defeats your tactic Y" without actually doing the simulation yourself. What actually happens is that splitting fire leads to your foes causing more damage on any one target than them both focussing on you.Please feel free to support this with... well... anything.First, you're lowballing the DPR.Second, I never made any of the builds I suggested.Third, fighters are not currently kings of DPR: they're merely up there.Finally: We're comparing against a wizard, and fighters lose their DPR king status once there's a second target available.Did you just not read the entire thing? Yes, you're a very high AC fighter - and part of the point of the exercise is that this is a bad idea.How is the wizard ridiculously low AC? He's close to his attribute maximum, and hasn't done anything to boost it, sure, but his AC is far from ridiculously low. Ridiculously low would be if I'd chosen a warlock or melee ranger.And what makes you "moderately optimised for combat challenge"? You've got 50% of your feats boosting it, and a wisdom in the region of 16+, at a guess. How much more could you do to boost it?The fighter was able to make attacking the wizard a close thing, but as you've pointed out, focus fire has a certain amount of value. So if that hobgoblin has any artillery buddies, he's still going to ignore you.</blockquote>

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