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<blockquote data-quote="webrunner" data-source="post: 4778358" data-attributes="member: 63727"><p>I do not understand how there is a leap between Therefore, you don't have to hit someone with Combat Challenge (mark) to use Combat Challenge (Interrupt)." to "Therefore, they are two separate abilities."</p><p></p><p>If they weren't two separate abilities, then they would only work together. You can attack monster A, get a mark on him (the marking ability). Then a bard can mark monster B for you, and monster B then attacks the bard, triggering the interrupt. Two unrelated events- they're related only in that they occur under the same class feature heading (which they still do). In fact, you <em>never had to attack monster A at all</em>. The interrupt is not contingent on the CC mark. In the rules there's no indication the two abilities are related except being under a common header... and the same is true for, eg, all the individual effects of a magic type as a sorceror. Are the following two benefits:</p><p></p><p>Cosmic Persistence: While you are not wearing heavy armor, you can use your Strength modifier in place of your Dexterity or Intelligence modifier to determine your AC.</p><p>Cosmic Power: You gain a bonus to the damage rolls of arcane powers equal to your Strength modifier. The bonus equals your Strength modifier + 2 at 11th level and your Strength modifier + 4 at 21st level.</p><p></p><p>The same ability, as they are under the same kind of bolded heading ("Comsic Magic") as "Combat Challenge". Do you beleive that if you hit with any sorcerer power then the enemy knows you have STR to AC?</p><p></p><p>As for the next jump:</p><p></p><p>Assuming they are separate abilities, that would mean that in order for a monster to know about the 2nd ability after being effected by the first, would have to be an exception to the rule that a monster knows what hits them- so I ask you to find <em>this</em> exception, the one that says "If a monster his hit by an ability they also know a related ability's effects" if you say it exists.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, your definition of "core" seems to be a bit off: By the rules, the way it's printed in the PHB is emphatically <em>not</em> core any more: Core is the most recent modifications.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="webrunner, post: 4778358, member: 63727"] I do not understand how there is a leap between Therefore, you don't have to hit someone with Combat Challenge (mark) to use Combat Challenge (Interrupt)." to "Therefore, they are two separate abilities." If they weren't two separate abilities, then they would only work together. You can attack monster A, get a mark on him (the marking ability). Then a bard can mark monster B for you, and monster B then attacks the bard, triggering the interrupt. Two unrelated events- they're related only in that they occur under the same class feature heading (which they still do). In fact, you [i]never had to attack monster A at all[/i]. The interrupt is not contingent on the CC mark. In the rules there's no indication the two abilities are related except being under a common header... and the same is true for, eg, all the individual effects of a magic type as a sorceror. Are the following two benefits: Cosmic Persistence: While you are not wearing heavy armor, you can use your Strength modifier in place of your Dexterity or Intelligence modifier to determine your AC. Cosmic Power: You gain a bonus to the damage rolls of arcane powers equal to your Strength modifier. The bonus equals your Strength modifier + 2 at 11th level and your Strength modifier + 4 at 21st level. The same ability, as they are under the same kind of bolded heading ("Comsic Magic") as "Combat Challenge". Do you beleive that if you hit with any sorcerer power then the enemy knows you have STR to AC? As for the next jump: Assuming they are separate abilities, that would mean that in order for a monster to know about the 2nd ability after being effected by the first, would have to be an exception to the rule that a monster knows what hits them- so I ask you to find [i]this[/i] exception, the one that says "If a monster his hit by an ability they also know a related ability's effects" if you say it exists. Additionally, your definition of "core" seems to be a bit off: By the rules, the way it's printed in the PHB is emphatically [i]not[/i] core any more: Core is the most recent modifications. [/QUOTE]
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