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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4778491" data-attributes="member: 2011">I won't explain in detail again. Bottom line: CC affects the power. All relative to the situation aspects of CC, not just part of it. It does not matter what allows the CC to work (Fighter mark or Bard mark), the power is still affected by it. From your perspective, this is a separate ability of the Fighter that is not part of his mark. From my perspective, this is an ability derived from the Fighter's unique mark (regardless of source) and directly affects the creature.You won't change my mind, just like I won't change yours. I was just trying to get you to understand my interpretation like I understand yours.Precisely. There are no exception rules for the Fighter's Class Feature not being known by the monster compared to the Swordmage's Class Feature being known by the monsters. Both of these are handled the same way unless an exception in the Fighter's Class Feature explicitly states otherwise.The monster knowledge rules are always run the same way shy of an exception, that is why I think your interpretation (of the original text) is flawed.You are manufacturing an exception in the Fighter's Class Feature that is not explicitly written as a rule. You need to follow your logic train to get there which means that not all DMs will get there. The only time most DMs get to the same interpretation is if the rule is explicitly and clearly written. Obviously, that is not true for this or we would not have pages of discussion on it in many different forum threads. Once one changes the rule to the new Power in the Compendium, then it becomes explicit and clearly written. Until then, it's two different interpretations of the same text.If you say so.If you cannot (or will not) comprehend that your interpretation (of the original text) is just an interpretation, then like with Goumindong, this conversation will go nowhere.Whether or not WotC changed or clarified their original position on this is non-sequitor.</blockquote>

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