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<blockquote data-quote="king_ghidorah" data-source="post: 1781203" data-attributes="member: 18404">Jeff,Your loophole doesn't exist. Your description is flavor. Read the rules. They state quite clearly that if you attack with armor spikes they are treated as a light weapon as either a main or off-hand attack. Simple if-then statement. The description of shouldering into someone and hitting them with a weapon is clearly a description of a main attack and a secondary attack. The rules say that the secondary attack with the spiked armor is treated as an attack with a light weapon.Incidental damage from the spikes is also covered in that they do damage if you grapple someone. But you can't just accidentally do damage with them, no more than the spiked shield on your back can do an extra attack if you describe yourself as stepping backwards into a foe while stabbing him. The argument that you are not using a hand at best would be a good argument that the two-weapon fighting feat would not reduce the to-hit penalties to your two-weapon fighting, so you would have an even harder time hitting.If you want to give someone the bonus attack (which would be silly IMHO), feel free. But it will be a house rule since it violates the rules as written.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="king_ghidorah, post: 1781203, member: 18404"] Jeff, Your loophole doesn't exist. Your description is flavor. Read the rules. They state quite clearly that if you attack with armor spikes they are treated as a light weapon as either a main or off-hand attack. Simple if-then statement. The description of shouldering into someone and hitting them with a weapon is clearly a description of a main attack and a secondary attack. The rules say that the secondary attack with the spiked armor is treated as an attack with a light weapon. Incidental damage from the spikes is also covered in that they do damage if you grapple someone. But you can't just accidentally do damage with them, no more than the spiked shield on your back can do an extra attack if you describe yourself as stepping backwards into a foe while stabbing him. The argument that you are not using a hand at best would be a good argument that the two-weapon fighting feat would [I]not[/I] reduce the to-hit penalties to your two-weapon fighting, so you would have an even harder time hitting. If you want to give someone the bonus attack (which would be silly IMHO), feel free. But it will be a house rule since it violates the rules as written. [/QUOTE]

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