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<blockquote data-quote="cordell" data-source="post: 1781814" data-attributes="member: 21399">I know this has been discussed a bit before on these boards.&nbsp; It's been beaten to death as far as I can tell, which is why some of the &quot;big posters&quot; are staying away.In my opinion, the problem comes with the wording at the end &quot;...if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa&quot;.Again in my opinion, the spirit of this rule is that it should simply read &quot;You can use Armor spikes in the place of an offhand weapon attack, whenever you are normally allowed to make such an attack.&nbsp; You can also attack with the Spikes in place of a primary weapon attack, whenever you are normally allowed to make such an attack.&quot;If the rule were written that way, then a 6th level fighter, with the two-weapon fighting feat, could make the following attacks:1)&nbsp; Two attacks (+6 bab and +1 bab) with a Two Handed sword at 1.5 STR.&nbsp; (or, two attacks with the spikes at normal STR).2)&nbsp; One attack (+6 bab) with a Two handed sword at 1.5 x STR, and another attack (+1 bab) with the spikes at normal STR.&nbsp; (or, spikes at +6 bab, then the two handed sword at +1 bab).3)&nbsp; Two attacks (+6 bab and -2 for TWF) with a long sword, and one attack (+1 bab and -2 for TWF) with the spikes.&nbsp; (Or, as you may have figured out, any combination thereof).As you can see, the 6th level fighter, who usually gets two attacks per round, still gets only two attacks per round, unless he has the Two Weapon fighting feat, in which case he gets three attacks in a round, all at -2.For me, it's clearly better if you play it that way.&nbsp; I would imagine that is what the game designers meant.&nbsp; It's a shame it has not been errata'd yet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cordell, post: 1781814, member: 21399"] I know this has been discussed a bit before on these boards. It's been beaten to death as far as I can tell, which is why some of the "big posters" are staying away. In my opinion, the problem comes with the wording at the end "...if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa". Again in my opinion, the spirit of this rule is that it should simply read "You can use Armor spikes in the place of an offhand weapon attack, whenever you are normally allowed to make such an attack. You can also attack with the Spikes in place of a primary weapon attack, whenever you are normally allowed to make such an attack." If the rule were written that way, then a 6th level fighter, with the two-weapon fighting feat, could make the following attacks: 1) Two attacks (+6 bab and +1 bab) with a Two Handed sword at 1.5 STR. (or, two attacks with the spikes at normal STR). 2) One attack (+6 bab) with a Two handed sword at 1.5 x STR, and another attack (+1 bab) with the spikes at normal STR. (or, spikes at +6 bab, then the two handed sword at +1 bab). 3) Two attacks (+6 bab and -2 for TWF) with a long sword, and one attack (+1 bab and -2 for TWF) with the spikes. (Or, as you may have figured out, any combination thereof). As you can see, the 6th level fighter, who usually gets two attacks per round, still gets only two attacks per round, unless he has the Two Weapon fighting feat, in which case he gets three attacks in a round, all at -2. For me, it's clearly better if you play it that way. I would imagine that is what the game designers meant. It's a shame it has not been errata'd yet. [/QUOTE]

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