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Message: <blockquote data-quote="king_ghidorah" data-source="post: 1782694" data-attributes="member: 18404">My point is claiming that you would not get a free attack through incidental damage.In any case, since hit point damage is abstract, and since even one point of damage has a 25% chance of killing an ordinary human (commoner 1, even a wizard 1 or sorcerer 1), what chance do you grant that a porcupine falling from a tree of killing an ordinary human? Even a one-story fall only does subdual damage. Why would a porcupine be more dangerous? The fact is, given the abstract system of rules, sources of damage are rated as too deadly. An ordinary house cat can easily kill a commoner using the rules as written. And armor spikes can be a deadly as a dagger. This seems too much damage for a random source of incidental damage.If we model all simple accidents with hit point damage, soon we find that cooks should be dying all the time from self-inflicted knife injuries and burns. That said, the point of the game isn't to model realism, but to create a game that feels real enough to make sense to you and your players. If significant accidental damage makes sense to you, more power to you. Being accident prone and a former avid mountain biker and a former wrestler, it has been my experience that only fairly serious accidents have the same debilitating effect as a good solid attempt by an opponent to whup your butt, and thus would seldom dish out incidental or accidental damage without a strong reason (traps, falling off a tree, a rain of porcupines, etc.) and even then, seldom without allowing a save or requiring an attack roll (like a trap). But YMMV, and I accept that.</blockquote>

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