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<blockquote data-quote="A'koss" data-source="post: 187657" data-attributes="member: 840">I just posted the most current version our group is using on RGFD, a little copy/paste should do the trick...Before I get into it I should probably explain what I'm trying to do here. First, the rules work great as is but soon I'm going to throw a little twist in it which me and my group have been hammering out. That little twist is going to be a level based AC bonus, much like in Star Wars or WoT. A figher for example will (very likely) gain a bonus AC equal to a Cleric's BAB. The idea here is to create it in such a way that characters will use *less* armor as they get more and more powerful. Armor, which affords great protection at lower levels becomes an impediment to their combat skill-based AC which will eventually overtake the advantages of carrying a big metal suit. This will create a more cinematic style of play reminiscent of Conan, etc...With the kinds of opponents characters face at high levels it's just better to just avoid an onrushing 3 ton fist that to see if your armor is up to the challenge. ;-) Light armor will impose a moderate penalty to your Skill AC, Med. armor more yet and Heavy armor will negate it (or very close to it) entirely regardless of level. I won't include these numbers here, but when I get it all sorted out I'll repost them. Armor bonuses shouldn't change much from what you see here. Note that for these rules: **armor and deflection bonuses will no longer stack.**Now on with the most current version of the armor rules.&nbsp; ARMOR&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; AC Bonus&nbsp; DRPadded&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1/-Leather&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2/-Studded Leather&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2/-Chain Shirt&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1/-Hide&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2/-Scale mail&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2/-Chainmail&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2/-Breastplate&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3/-&nbsp; SHIELDS (Shields only deflect damage)Buckler&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1Shield, small, wooden&nbsp; +1Shield, small, steel&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1Shield, large, wooden&nbsp;&nbsp; +2Shield, large, steel&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +21. AC Bonus: The ability of the armor to deflect blows. This improves by 1 for every 2 &quot;plusses&quot; for magical armor.2. DR: How much damage the armor is going to absorb for you. This improves by 1 for every &quot;plus&quot; for magical armor3. Special materials: DM fiat. Mithril, Adamantite and other special materials may moderately affect AC or DR.4. Shields: AC also improves by 1 for every 2 &quot;plusses&quot; for magical varieties.For example:&nbsp;n/m chainmail, AC +3, DR 2/-&nbsp;&nbsp; +1 chainmail, AC +3, DR 3/-&nbsp;&nbsp; +2 chainmail, AC +4, DR 4/-&nbsp;&nbsp; +3 chainmail, AC +4, DR 5/-&nbsp;&nbsp; +4 chainmail, AC +5, DR 6/-&nbsp;&nbsp; +5 chainmail, AC +5, DR 7/-Armor and Shields IMC are simply denoted differently to eliminate the calculations.&nbsp;ARMOR&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; DEX PenaltyPadded&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -0Leather&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -0Studded Leather&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -1Chain Shirt&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -1Hide&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -2Scale mail&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -2Chainmail&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -3Breastplate&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -2&nbsp;SHIELDSBuckler&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -0Shield, small, wooden&nbsp;&nbsp; -0Shield, small, steel&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -0Shield, large, wooden&nbsp;&nbsp; -1Shield, large, steel&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -11. DEX Penalty: This replaces the Max. Dex bonus.2. Strong Characters and Armor: For every 4 points of Strength greater than 10, reduce the DEX penalties by 1. For every 2 points of Strength greater than 10, reduce the Armor Check penalties by 1. If your adjusted Armor check penalty is between 0 and -2, you may move at full speed.For example:&nbsp; A 18 Strength Fighter in chainmail and carrying a large steel shield suffers a Dex Penalty of -2 and an Armor Check Penalty of -3. If his Strength were 20 his Armor Check Penalty would be low enough to allow him to move at his full rate.&nbsp; He would have to possess a Strength of 26 to wear chainmail and carry a lg. steel shield without any Dex or Armor Check penalties.A'koss!--The Rings of Concordance has a new url!<a href="http://members.shaw.ca/infinity/Main_Page.htm" target="_blank">http://members.shaw.ca/infinity/Main_Page.htm</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="A'koss, post: 187657, member: 840"] I just posted the most current version our group is using on RGFD, a little copy/paste should do the trick... Before I get into it I should probably explain what I'm trying to do here. First, the rules work great as is but soon I'm going to throw a little twist in it which me and my group have been hammering out. That little twist is going to be a level based AC bonus, much like in Star Wars or WoT. A figher for example will (very likely) gain a bonus AC equal to a Cleric's BAB. The idea here is to create it in such a way that characters will use *less* armor as they get more and more powerful. Armor, which affords great protection at lower levels becomes an impediment to their combat skill-based AC which will eventually overtake the advantages of carrying a big metal suit. This will create a more cinematic style of play reminiscent of Conan, etc... With the kinds of opponents characters face at high levels it's just better to just avoid an onrushing 3 ton fist that to see if your armor is up to the challenge. ;-) Light armor will impose a moderate penalty to your Skill AC, Med. armor more yet and Heavy armor will negate it (or very close to it) entirely regardless of level. I won't include these numbers here, but when I get it all sorted out I'll repost them. Armor bonuses shouldn't change much from what you see here. Note that for these rules: **armor and deflection bonuses will no longer stack.** Now on with the most current version of the armor rules. ARMOR AC Bonus DR Padded +0 1/- Leather +0 2/- Studded Leather +1 2/- Chain Shirt +2 1/- Hide +1 2/- Scale mail +2 2/- Chainmail +3 2/- Breastplate +3 3/- SHIELDS (Shields only deflect damage) Buckler +1 Shield, small, wooden +1 Shield, small, steel +1 Shield, large, wooden +2 Shield, large, steel +2 1. AC Bonus: The ability of the armor to deflect blows. This improves by 1 for every 2 "plusses" for magical armor. 2. DR: How much damage the armor is going to absorb for you. This improves by 1 for every "plus" for magical armor 3. Special materials: DM fiat. Mithril, Adamantite and other special materials may moderately affect AC or DR. 4. Shields: AC also improves by 1 for every 2 "plusses" for magical varieties. For example: n/m chainmail, AC +3, DR 2/- +1 chainmail, AC +3, DR 3/- +2 chainmail, AC +4, DR 4/- +3 chainmail, AC +4, DR 5/- +4 chainmail, AC +5, DR 6/- +5 chainmail, AC +5, DR 7/- Armor and Shields IMC are simply denoted differently to eliminate the calculations. ARMOR DEX Penalty Padded -0 Leather -0 Studded Leather -1 Chain Shirt -1 Hide -2 Scale mail -2 Chainmail -3 Breastplate -2 SHIELDS Buckler -0 Shield, small, wooden -0 Shield, small, steel -0 Shield, large, wooden -1 Shield, large, steel -1 1. DEX Penalty: This replaces the Max. Dex bonus. 2. Strong Characters and Armor: For every 4 points of Strength greater than 10, reduce the DEX penalties by 1. For every 2 points of Strength greater than 10, reduce the Armor Check penalties by 1. If your adjusted Armor check penalty is between 0 and -2, you may move at full speed. For example: A 18 Strength Fighter in chainmail and carrying a large steel shield suffers a Dex Penalty of -2 and an Armor Check Penalty of -3. If his Strength were 20 his Armor Check Penalty would be low enough to allow him to move at his full rate. He would have to possess a Strength of 26 to wear chainmail and carry a lg. steel shield without any Dex or Armor Check penalties. A'koss! -- The Rings of Concordance has a new url! [url]http://members.shaw.ca/infinity/Main_Page.htm[/url] [/QUOTE]

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