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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 8590997" data-attributes="member: 19857">5e out of the box was actually built to enforce the stereotypes of the various classes. Because that was what the perception in 2014 was that folks wanted. So this is doing what was intended by the devs whether we like it or not (I do not).&nbsp; The 5e way to fix this problem is to use the game element that is analogous to 4e's builds to do it - the subclass.&nbsp; Subclasses are basically pre-built builds, and so a CHA based Barbarian subclass (that lets you swap any CON-based bonus in the Barbarian class out for CHA) or a STR based Monk subclass would be the 5e way to solve this problem.&nbsp; The downside of using subclasses is that the 5e model is to tie specific flavor to subclasses and so that design space doesn't get explored in the same way that builds (which relied on the player to supply their own flavor to a large degree) did.It's a hammer to swat a fly in a lot of ways, but that's the 5e way of doing it.&nbsp; (In 3e you'd use feats, but 5e's limited feats makes them harder to rely on for things like this).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 8590997, member: 19857"] 5e out of the box was actually built to enforce the stereotypes of the various classes. Because that was what the perception in 2014 was that folks wanted. So this is doing what was intended by the devs whether we like it or not (I do not). The 5e way to fix this problem is to use the game element that is analogous to 4e's builds to do it - the subclass. Subclasses are basically pre-built builds, and so a CHA based Barbarian subclass (that lets you swap any CON-based bonus in the Barbarian class out for CHA) or a STR based Monk subclass would be the 5e way to solve this problem. The downside of using subclasses is that the 5e model is to tie specific flavor to subclasses and so that design space doesn't get explored in the same way that builds (which relied on the player to supply their own flavor to a large degree) did. It's a hammer to swat a fly in a lot of ways, but that's the 5e way of doing it. (In 3e you'd use feats, but 5e's limited feats makes them harder to rely on for things like this). [/QUOTE]

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