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<blockquote data-quote="D'karr" data-source="post: 920051" data-attributes="member: 336"><p>You don't have to explain every action. From your perspective everything was carefully handled. But many actions that were not part of the combat seemed to happen instantaneously.</p><p></p><p>Getting to a battle scene should take time (4 rounds - 24 seconds sems like an appropriate number). Assessing what is happening should take time and I don't mean one round (I'd say at least another 30 seconds.) In the whole chaos that was going on vampires are casting spells and herding people. How long does it take to herd 100 guards? I'd say another 10 minutes to herd. Is that an unreasonable time? That is where our opinions differ and it is just a matter of opinion. But what you are doing is assuming that you can get 100 people into a tower that has only 1-2 entrances at a rate of 25-30 a round. That is highly improbable even with dominated thralls.</p><p></p><p>Then going to get the Duke, and this is probably where I see the biggest hole on the timeline, seems to happen almost instanteneously.</p><p></p><p>A PC traveled to where the Duke was. (Let's say another 5 rounds). Apparently he didn't encounter any of the Duke's security forces or personal guards. Then he wakes the Duke from a dead sleep (another 30 seconds to a minute) He explains the trouble that is going on (I'd say another minute if not 5 minutes at least). Then the Duke agrees to help. How long does it take the Duke to get ready (I imagine he doesn't sleep in his armor either) and get to the action?</p><p></p><p>The problem I see here is that some actions in your timeline seem to take a lot less time than they would take at any reasonable pace. I believe that getting to the Duke and getting him involved and at the combat would have easily taken at least 5 minutes. And that is even a fast time.</p><p></p><p>A round is 6 seconds. A conversation is going to take a lot more than one round.</p><p></p><p>Like I said it is a matter of opinion and you know what they say about opinions.</p><p></p><p>I will just agree to disagree with you on this carefully crafted timeline.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree that changing how long actions take is changing the rules. But making actions a lot shorter in time for the NPCs than it would take for the PCs is also changing the rules.</p><p></p><p>According to the numbers I posted above the group that was donning armor would have arrived at the combat before the Duke. The assessment of the situation would have taken longer than just a cursory look of one round. The herding of the guards would have taken a heck of a lot longer than 4 minutes. And the conversation with the Duke would definitely have taken longer than just one round. So out of your players you would have had 3 donning armor and one talking with the duke. Leaving the remainder to handle the vampires.</p><p></p><p>I just don't see how the time adds up. Like I said we will have to agree to disagree on that point.</p><p></p><p>You decided to boil your plan to combat actions in rounds. There is nothing wrong with that. But a lot of the actions that you described had to take a lot longer than one or two rounds. Specially the conversation with the Duke.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D'karr, post: 920051, member: 336"] You don't have to explain every action. From your perspective everything was carefully handled. But many actions that were not part of the combat seemed to happen instantaneously. Getting to a battle scene should take time (4 rounds - 24 seconds sems like an appropriate number). Assessing what is happening should take time and I don't mean one round (I'd say at least another 30 seconds.) In the whole chaos that was going on vampires are casting spells and herding people. How long does it take to herd 100 guards? I'd say another 10 minutes to herd. Is that an unreasonable time? That is where our opinions differ and it is just a matter of opinion. But what you are doing is assuming that you can get 100 people into a tower that has only 1-2 entrances at a rate of 25-30 a round. That is highly improbable even with dominated thralls. Then going to get the Duke, and this is probably where I see the biggest hole on the timeline, seems to happen almost instanteneously. A PC traveled to where the Duke was. (Let's say another 5 rounds). Apparently he didn't encounter any of the Duke's security forces or personal guards. Then he wakes the Duke from a dead sleep (another 30 seconds to a minute) He explains the trouble that is going on (I'd say another minute if not 5 minutes at least). Then the Duke agrees to help. How long does it take the Duke to get ready (I imagine he doesn't sleep in his armor either) and get to the action? The problem I see here is that some actions in your timeline seem to take a lot less time than they would take at any reasonable pace. I believe that getting to the Duke and getting him involved and at the combat would have easily taken at least 5 minutes. And that is even a fast time. A round is 6 seconds. A conversation is going to take a lot more than one round. Like I said it is a matter of opinion and you know what they say about opinions. I will just agree to disagree with you on this carefully crafted timeline. I agree that changing how long actions take is changing the rules. But making actions a lot shorter in time for the NPCs than it would take for the PCs is also changing the rules. According to the numbers I posted above the group that was donning armor would have arrived at the combat before the Duke. The assessment of the situation would have taken longer than just a cursory look of one round. The herding of the guards would have taken a heck of a lot longer than 4 minutes. And the conversation with the Duke would definitely have taken longer than just one round. So out of your players you would have had 3 donning armor and one talking with the duke. Leaving the remainder to handle the vampires. I just don't see how the time adds up. Like I said we will have to agree to disagree on that point. You decided to boil your plan to combat actions in rounds. There is nothing wrong with that. But a lot of the actions that you described had to take a lot longer than one or two rounds. Specially the conversation with the Duke. [/QUOTE]
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