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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 925124" data-attributes="member: 8704">Yes but all the slights and double talk not to mention several downright rude exchanges from people here take away from this being a helpful discussion and move it into a fight over who is percieved as right (that's the silly part). To say "I would of done this" is fine but to say he is wrong or ignoring obvious facts to pick on something as meaningless as the rounds taken for the side encounter to get the Duke (which would not of happened if the characters were all there in the first place) is the silly part. It's missing the forest because of all the trees.As far as his encounter goes, things go wrong all the time, and things get learned all the time, it's just that this is so obviously a problem that has very little to do with rules or set up or what actually happened ingame. This is a problem with people making a decision to skip a fight and put on armor then getting mad because of their own choice took them out of the fight. When he said it would take 40 rounds to put on the armor then it should of been obvious that they would miss the fight, they choose to continue on with the armor, everything else is irrelevent here. They could of went as is and got in on the encounter or stayed where they were and missed it all. It was obviously a set up so they would have to either go without the armor or let people die, it was obviously a choice they had to make, the only way it could of been more clear was if he just came out and told them to ditch the armor or set it out. Whether his encounter was fair or not is irrelevent, his time measurements are irrelevent, it was obvious by the set up and the discriptions there were two choices to make, sit it out or go witout Plate Mail. That is the whole point here they made a choice, one thought it was funny, one said he made the wrong choice that same night and one had a fit and stormed out (which seemed to not be all that uncommon for him). You can nitpick it or twist it around but that is the fact, they were not forced to miss the fight, the fight was obviously set up for them to be able to do it without the armor, it was obviously planned that way, when you start counting rounds and you tell them it will be 40 rounds before they can leave for the fight then it should be obvious that this was designed to be ran without the plate mail armor. They are Clerics and a Paladin, they had other means, they had powerful means that would of turned the tide of the fight without them having to go into hand to hand. Sometimes there is going to be a risk in D&D but for the Clerics the big risk here (negative levels) did not exist as they had spells to protect them from that. They had all they needed to win without the armor, they knew that they would miss the fight with the armor, it's a cut and dried decision, they made a choice and that's that. Every other issue here is irrelevent, the rules were used properly (and I do agree a little to strictly on the time issue I would of allowed more time too, but he was not wrong in what he did), they should realize how he would use the rules they are his regular players. What went wrong? well the Paladin decided to sit this one out intentionally, one guy gets irrational, and one guy admits he should of sucked it up and went without the plate. What's the lesson here, well it's that you can never assume the caracters will make the proper choice no matter how obvious it is. They set it out and realized they were to dependant on their Plate Mail. Fusangite probably learned that sometimes even 10 hours of prep work is not enough to cover everything off the wall that can happen in a game. You can never be prepared for everything and sometimes you just have to spell it out for the players, no matter how obvious it seems somebody is bound to miss the point.</blockquote>

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