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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 927725" data-attributes="member: 8704">Yes but how many places and times has it been said to play the game how it is fun for your group? I really don't see this as the same as the example of the lever in the DMG, this is characters having a in game discussion. Also if you get right down to the fact of it, 4 characters left to investigate but didn't come back, without any ingame discussion that's a sign of imminent trouble, some people think that them not coming back is a good reason for them piddling around with the armor, but it really is the other way around, why didn't they come back? well because they were in trouble. Your expecting a attack, you hear a attack, 4 party members leave and never return.......that seems pretty obvious to me. Of course when you look at the situation as it was given (which was the point here, not a popularity contest, not a style debate, it was a evaluation of the facts) they knew exactly what was going on and chose to ignore it.I really don't care if you like the meta discussion or not, I don't care if the DMG say's it's bad, this was about looking at the situation as given in his game.  I think he started a pole someplace else to discuss the other stuff. This was a case of given facts and descriptions. Everything that isn't a discusion of the given facts and descriptions is irrelevent to the "who was right" part of the argument. Every example I read of how he could of changed things to make it work better required him to change his game style, nobody ever came up with any sugestions that fit in with what he was saying and discribing. Every sugestion was to fundamentally change the way he played the game, and every time he pointed that out somebody got mad because he didn't agree with their situation, and acted like he was insulting them. Lets face it he doesn't have to agree, and he went out of his way to explain why every solution offered would not work in his game. Why do people get upset when he says that wouldn't work in my game and here is why? Me I would of gotten very upset very quickly with some of this crap and condesending responses in this thread, he remained civil throughout the whole thing, even when he was accused of hating his game group and intentionally trying to force people not to play. He's a better person than me, I had to quit the thread twice because my blood pressure spiked (it really did, I hit 170 over 120 last night). Why does everything have to get confrontational, why does everybody have to take responses personal and offer up attacks. Did anybody ever think "hey maybe his response was just a response and not some vieled attack on my person?" You know maybe the 70/30 thing was just a statement of how the thread was shaping out and not a attack on somebody.Oh yea I actually think it's Baseball season<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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