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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 931788" data-attributes="member: 8704">Your right on the rounds.  Well they always play the same way, they are used to people knowing things through meta conversations, why would they even think to discuss things beforehand.   They were talking during the game about stuff too, heck the four were apparently talking to the three while the situation was going on.  I also don't think he was trying to totally control the flow of the game, he planned for two totally separate situations, he says he plans adventures of all types and tries to cater to all the characters likes and dislikes. It really sounds like he goes out of his way to entertain his players. Why are you sad? When you are playing a longterm storyline based campaigns there will be times when not everybody gets to participate (not every character is good in political situations for instance.) I would of never had this problem in my group because none of my players would choose to sit there, they would head for the fight. As far as the thread goes. I don't see anything that stupid that the vampires did here, they planned on capturing and turning as many soldiers as possible to help them take over the city. They were not there to kill the PCs they were there to take over the city. They had knowledge ofhow the PCs would react, because former PCs and NPCs were now vampires. They planned on the PCs wasting time with armor so they could complete their plan and fortify their position, the whole adventure was designed around a attack on the city not the PCs.   Play it safe and let 160 people die, play it safe and risk 160 vampires running around the city the next day. Play it safe and let the vampires fortify themselves and regain their strength. heck why didn't they just play it safe and leave the city? As far as things just being too convienent, well if you don't believe his statements and we were not actually there then this is not going to go anywhere, but I think that makes what your problem with this is apparent. You don't believe his story. Oh and on the scroll thing, well they could of had scrolls for anything, I guess they should always assume that they are going against enemies with infinate spells. Of course that really doesn't bring back any of the 70 or so guards who they let die because they didn't even put out a effort to save them. Of course the the clerics could of had summon monster spells too, maybe they could of summoned their own creatures, you know I could go down the clerics spell list and point out of possible spells they could of used to protect themselves (such as Magic Vestment on a shield or Protection from Evil, which would both help raise their AC and protect them from summoned creatures.) But the fact is we both know they had tons of potential moves they could of made to protect themselves and still get there in time to save people's lives. They are clerics not fighters, the armor is not the end all be all of being a cleric, they have spells, and they were still better prepared for this encounter than anybody else in the group, even without the armor. We could come up will all sorts of theoretical situations but in the end people were being killed, this wasn't a few people, this was a slaughter, this was a huge tragedy, they allowed without even trying to stop it. We don't need to go into the guy but it was covered back on page two that he had a habit of leaving the room when he wasn't directly involved. As far as him knowing he would have to wait, well that was his choice, he didn't have to wait, nobody forced him to wait, he was just mad that the rules were not changed to allow him to have his cake and eat it too.</blockquote>

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