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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elvinis75" data-source="post: 932497" data-attributes="member: 4379">First off this is the last post and that doesn’t mean that I’m looking for the last word but I tired of this thread.Second I was right on the armor:From the SRD:Don Hastily: This column records how long it takes to put the armor on in a hurry. Hastily donned armor has an armor check penalty and armor bonus each 1 point worse than normal.Remove: This column records how long it takes to get the armor off.Table: Donning ArmorArmor Type                        Don        Don Hastily    Remove----------                        ---        -----------    ------Padded, leather, hide, studded leather, or chain shirt        1 minute    5 rounds    1 minute*Breastplate, scale mail, chainmail, banded mail, or splint mail    4 minutes*    1 minute    1 minute*Half-plate or full plate                    4 minutes**    4 minutes*    1d4+1 minutes*I don’t thik that anyone assumed that they were going to take their time thus Don hastily is assumed.  4 minutes halved is 2 minutes or 20 rounds.jdavis [/i] Your right on the rounds.  Well they always play the same way, they are used to people knowing things through meta conversations, why would they even think to discuss things beforehand.   They were talking during the game about stuff too, heck the four were apparently talking to the three while the situation was going on.  I also don't think he was trying to totally control the flow of the game, he planned for two totally separate situations, he says he plans adventures of all types and tries to cater to all the characters likes and dislikes. It really sounds like he goes out of his way to entertain his players.Fine they knew everything about everything right down to which spells the vampires had(sarcasm)(which I have no clue how they could have possibily known in the game using the rules).  The vampires still IMHO played stupidly.  They should have withdrawn after the players started rushing the scene.  They weren’t ready to fight them and didn’t intend to fight them in a weakened state. Why are you sad? Because 70% of people are ok with putting choices to their PC that allow them to sit around for the majority of a session.  Because instead of fusan getting good advice people just keep saying that you were 100% right.  IMHO it is more like 80% and thus my attempts to give suggestions.  Some of them taken in good spirit but most others work only to shoot them down.  Don’t cuddle your PCs …etc.  I'm always weary of people that tell me if 100% correct.I don't see anything that stupid that the vampires did here, they planned on capturing and turning as many soldiers as possible to help them take over the city. They were not there to kill the PCs they were there to take over the city. They had knowledge ofhow the PCs would react, because former PCs and NPCs were now vampires. They planned on the PCs wasting time with armor so they could complete their plan and fortify their position, the whole adventure was designed around a attack on the city not the PCs.  and that is the point I do they messed up with the lightning bolt and called the PCs right to them.  In a weakened state no less.  I’ll agree to disagree.Play it safe and let 160 people die, play it safe and risk 160 vampires running around the city the next day. Play it safe and let the vampires fortify themselves and regain their strength. heck why didn't they just play it safe and leave the city? …Well here you have a group that metagames and has had at least one character die and be turned to a vampire why would you expect them play out the interests of the character over the player?  You people coming back to playing in character.  PIC is not a requirement in a metagame.  Meatgaming and PIC are like oil and water IMHO.  Are you going to tell me that a person with a 17 Int is going to go into a fight like this unprepared?    It would have made sense to have a couple of scrolls.  Saving the big spells incase something goes wrong.I have said my peace.  Have a good campaign fusan and as to the bad player if he acts up again I quote the immortal Bill Murry“Scrap ‘em off claire!”</blockquote>

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