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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lmccauley" data-source="post: 785240" data-attributes="member: 3112">I'll have a look at it again when I'm at home.I don't understand how you can make an M4 smaller than an MP5.  Here are the real world stats:MP5 26" 7.5lbM4 30-33" 7.5lbWhat logic are you using to say that the MP5 is Large and the M4 Medium?I checked <a href="http://www.imi-israel.com/imi/doa_iis.dll/Serve/item/English/1.1.2.12.2.1.html" target="_blank">the manufacturer's site</a> for the length value.Yes, but a lance, greataxe and staff are all used in different ways.  Most longarms are used in the same way.  The only variables I can think of that would affect the Size of a longarm are the length and weight.Oh yes, that shows that the system is not detailed enough to cope with the reasons why you might choose an M4 in the real world.Here's an extract from <a href="http://www.mca-marines.org/Gazette/2002/02Dailey.html" target="_blank">an article</a> I read:"On the surface it would seem that the M16A2 is a superior rifle; however, several other factors must be taken into consideration. If we want to discuss retained velocity, terminal ballistics, and the effect of a projectile upon the human body we must first ensure that we can accurately place our round into the human body. Our ability to easily manipulate our weapon greatly contributes to this ability. While the M16A2 is a relatively ergonomic weapon in regard to manipulation, it does have several problems. The length of both stock and barrel are well-suited for known distance target shooting (the Marine Corps rifle team’s influence is seen here) but is not what we are looking for in a combat rifle. The M16A2’s 13.5-inch length of pull is generally too long for the average Marine in an aggressive Weaver type (basic warrior) fighting stance when wearing a flack jacket and load-bearing equipment. The M4A1 has a variable length of pull from 10.5 to 13 inches. This allows the Marine to rapidly shoulder the weapon from a proper fighting stance (or any other position) with combat gear. The reduced barrel length allows the weapon to be more easily maneuvered in restrictive terrain, urban areas, vehicles, and aircraft. Again, we must understand (as numerous studies have shown) that it is unlikely that we will often be required to engage targets beyond 200 yards. At this range the retained velocity of the 5.56mm round fired from a 14.5-inch barrel provides adequate terminal ballistics."The D20M system is not detailed enough to account for manouvering in restricted terrain.  Presumably this is because the designers picked a level of detail that worked in most circumstances but wasn't too complex.Cheers,Liam</blockquote>

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