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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Inconsequenti-AL" data-source="post: 3189860" data-attributes="member: 6584">Definitely some interesting ideas flying round here!Can see what people are saying. I was wondering if it was a little too strong, which is why I posted it here. Seems that hunch was right!I did consider people dipping into other classes for armour proficiencies, but IMO, losing a level of spellcasting to gain increased AC would be a very tough trade off? Even armoured, a wizard or sorcerors bread and butter is full caster progression... It would definitely give the mystic theurge a bump though! On a sidetrack to that, I saw an alternate rule somewhere - you only picked up 1 starting feat for a class you multiclass into. You got another one each level after that. Nice idea IMO. Twilight is a nice property - looking at it a mithral chain shirt with that on - has no ACP or ASF, so an unskilled wizard could wear one without problems? Get a plain old mithral buckler to go with it...Tempted to call that Wizard Armour, slap a role playing restriction on it - must join warwizard guild and get a license. Could work out reasonably I supose...Afraid I don't have the PhB2 or BoED - Do you need some existing level of ignoring ASF to take the Battle Caster feat?</blockquote>