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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 6413332" data-attributes="member: 545">The very point of rules and a living breathing referee/DM who plots out a campaign and tweaks the rules is to constrain the scope of &quot;fair&quot; that are in play to the players sitting in front of the screen.&nbsp; Your definition of &quot;fair&quot; is simply so broad as to not have any meaning.&nbsp; And even if it meant anything at all, it would be simply unimportant.&nbsp; You do not have any a priori &quot;right&quot; to gamble with stat points, even if it is fair.&nbsp; It is for the DM (and/or the Group as a whole) to decide if such things will make the game more fun for them.I would further note you have simply ignored arguments about why gambling with stat points (rolling) sometimes leads to less fun.&nbsp; So it is a bit odd for you to complain about being ignored.&nbsp; You were not ignored.&nbsp; Posters raised counterarguments and nuances that you failed to address.Very narrowly speaking, I agree with you that the word &quot;punish&quot; is inapt or misleading.&nbsp; &quot;Gee, X leads to less fun.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Gee, X leads to me feeling punished.&quot;&nbsp; Does it really matter?&nbsp; Are you just arguing over a word?&nbsp; Frankly, it sounds like you are looking for an excuse to insinuate immaturity on the part of players who happen to disagree with your tastes.&nbsp; That some of those players became emotional enough to choose a word poorly does not seem so important or profound to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 6413332, member: 545"] The very point of rules and a living breathing referee/DM who plots out a campaign and tweaks the rules is to constrain the scope of "fair" that are in play to the players sitting in front of the screen. Your definition of "fair" is simply so broad as to not have any meaning. And even if it meant anything at all, it would be simply unimportant. You do not have any a priori "right" to gamble with stat points, even if it is fair. It is for the DM (and/or the Group as a whole) to decide if such things will make the game more fun for them. I would further note you have simply ignored arguments about why gambling with stat points (rolling) sometimes leads to less fun. So it is a bit odd for you to complain about being ignored. You were not ignored. Posters raised counterarguments and nuances that you failed to address. Very narrowly speaking, I agree with you that the word "punish" is inapt or misleading. "Gee, X leads to less fun." "Gee, X leads to me feeling punished." Does it really matter? Are you just arguing over a word? Frankly, it sounds like you are looking for an excuse to insinuate immaturity on the part of players who happen to disagree with your tastes. That some of those players became emotional enough to choose a word poorly does not seem so important or profound to me. [/QUOTE]

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