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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6623947" data-attributes="member: 67338">what if I voice my concern that there will be unbalanced and as such un fun results, then get told by the DM it is how he is doing it... just to be proved right when it leads to unbalanced unfun results?yup... someone is always on top and someone is always on the bottom, but I disagree about it always being the bottom complaining... in my first 4e game the 4 players who started the game where clearly rank able in stats 1,2,3,4 and the most complaints came from #2, seconded by #4... and even then #4 just wanted to be allowed to take the default array because it was a huge power boost to his character...depending on the DM there may be no 'agree' its there way or the highway...OK, my friend Tony once played a Druid who at level 3 got blinded and hit for BOTH str and wis DRAIN in 3e... he went the rest of the 8 level campaign blind, an 8 str and a 13 wis (his casting stat) but he used his wolf companion as a seeing eye dog, and homebrew a feat to get a second animal companion...a hawk. It was a blast and the best character he ever played... he never complained about any of it because it was fun... notice the difference here though... IT WAS FUN... no one complains when it's fun you complain when it isn't fun...in 3.0 we had Kurt play moonbeam, a half drow from the Forgotten realms book. He had a 16 str, and every other stat 11 or less (I can't rember if INt or CHa was the 5, but one was) he played a feral ranger/barbarian and loved it. Again no complaintsI have over the year seen Kurt and Tony BOTH play far more powerful and less handy capped characters... and complain. The complaint isn't &quot;Hey I can't play this and have fun&quot; it's &quot;I am trying to play this and it isn't fun.&quot;yes because if someone dares say &quot;Hey this fun game isn't fun for me&quot; they should be asked to leave...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Maybe you should instead ask &quot;Hey how can we make it more fun.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6623947, member: 67338"] what if I voice my concern that there will be unbalanced and as such un fun results, then get told by the DM it is how he is doing it... just to be proved right when it leads to unbalanced unfun results? yup... someone is always on top and someone is always on the bottom, but I disagree about it always being the bottom complaining... in my first 4e game the 4 players who started the game where clearly rank able in stats 1,2,3,4 and the most complaints came from #2, seconded by #4... and even then #4 just wanted to be allowed to take the default array because it was a huge power boost to his character... depending on the DM there may be no 'agree' its there way or the highway... OK, my friend Tony once played a Druid who at level 3 got blinded and hit for BOTH str and wis DRAIN in 3e... he went the rest of the 8 level campaign blind, an 8 str and a 13 wis (his casting stat) but he used his wolf companion as a seeing eye dog, and homebrew a feat to get a second animal companion...a hawk. It was a blast and the best character he ever played... he never complained about any of it because it was fun... notice the difference here though... IT WAS FUN... no one complains when it's fun you complain when it isn't fun... in 3.0 we had Kurt play moonbeam, a half drow from the Forgotten realms book. He had a 16 str, and every other stat 11 or less (I can't rember if INt or CHa was the 5, but one was) he played a feral ranger/barbarian and loved it. Again no complaints I have over the year seen Kurt and Tony BOTH play far more powerful and less handy capped characters... and complain. The complaint isn't "Hey I can't play this and have fun" it's "I am trying to play this and it isn't fun." yes because if someone dares say "Hey this fun game isn't fun for me" they should be asked to leave...:erm::confused: Maybe you should instead ask "Hey how can we make it more fun." [/QUOTE]

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