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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6626532" data-attributes="member: 67338">only if you are trying to muddy the water (or poison the well) with personal insults instead of addressing the problemok, so if half the table agrees, or the whole table as in many of my examples... then what?and we are back to "You did have fun and your complaint is just made up..." think this through, just for a moment, if what you say is true why would he complain about 1 encounter once? If the cleric has melee in for 5 levels and 9 out of 10 fights made a better fighter (higher to hit and higher damage and spells on top of that with the same AC and close if not the same or more hp)NO ONE COMPLAINS WHEN THEY ARE HAVING FUN... but I notice your examples are all of people who don't have a problem making one up...and some people stay quite and go year long campaigns not having fun but dealing with itand some people walk out and make an excuse "Um my wife needs me home on game night"and some people have A real complaint...how do you tell the difference? and what do you do when the complain has merit?sometimes... the azrethal show and the paladien warlock games both went to hell because paul was WAY too powerful and everyone agreed.  IN my 1st 4e game we let half the players re draw there stats to be on par with the other half, and asked 2 of 5 players to swap out weapon expertise.... in the game I was the spell fire I retired the character. In the game I was Antra I redrew the character way less powerful.... in my last 3.5 game we all remade our character 7 levels in... I expect the group to talk about it and find a way... each situation is different. maybe throwing an extra +3 item in or a belt of magnificent might help with the knowledge it was going to a character... or maybe the powerful one needs to tone it down... or maybe just redraw the character same story different stats (powerful out lier or weak outlier) or maybe you start a new campaing... what ever works best for EVERYONE... well I guess if everyone else has no problem I would just ask if I could up my str to match the clerics... of course that assumeing no one else had the exact same thought I did...ok, and how much of that changes if we let or make 1 person re giggy there stats? none... that what I thought.again it depends on the group... default first suggestion would be everyone redo there stats point but then continue... if that isn't good, then average the party stats and redo point buying to that level, if that isn't good ask the cleric to step back and use more spells and less melee, if that isn't good then give the fighter a belt of magnifacents +4, if that doesn't work then ask the whole group for suggestions... and maybe SO</blockquote>

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