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Array v 4d6: Punishment? Or overlooked data
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6627455" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>This is just...no. It is entirely conceivable to have a world that is always just. Justice is not a zero-sum game. Abiding by the moral principles of right conduct absolutely does not entail that you, or others, must also fail to abide by the moral principles of right conduct.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, depending on the particular arena, it's totally possible to have black without white (turn off all the lights), plus without minus (ionized hydrogen nucleus), and light without darkness (a room with walls, ceiling, and floor made of luminous material). And even if absolutely every single one of those things WERE in fact truly, inherently dipolar, it wouldn't prove a single thing about justice and injustice--because the argument is inductive, not deductive ("X, Y, and Z are all dipolar, therefore Q *must* be dipolar too!")</p><p></p><p>This is like that ridiculous "if everyone is special, no one is special" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Syndrome spouts in The Incredibles. It's the equivocation fallacy--because two different meanings of "special" are being used. If you actually force a single meaning of "special" the whole idea falls flat--e.g. "If everyone has a unique ability possessed by no one else, then no one has a unique ability possessed by no one else." The only way it works is if it becomes statistical: "If everyone becomes above average <em>by the old average</em>, then no one is above average <em>by the new average.</em>" But again, you have to sneak in that "old vs. new" distinction--the two specials aren't the same because they don't refer to the same population data anymore. (And it also overlooks the fact that, by having an average, there <em>almost certainly</em> have to be some people who are below it and above it, because a population that was all EXACTLY at the mean would be incredibly unusual.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6627455, member: 6790260"] This is just...no. It is entirely conceivable to have a world that is always just. Justice is not a zero-sum game. Abiding by the moral principles of right conduct absolutely does not entail that you, or others, must also fail to abide by the moral principles of right conduct. Similarly, depending on the particular arena, it's totally possible to have black without white (turn off all the lights), plus without minus (ionized hydrogen nucleus), and light without darkness (a room with walls, ceiling, and floor made of luminous material). And even if absolutely every single one of those things WERE in fact truly, inherently dipolar, it wouldn't prove a single thing about justice and injustice--because the argument is inductive, not deductive ("X, Y, and Z are all dipolar, therefore Q *must* be dipolar too!") This is like that ridiculous "if everyone is special, no one is special" :):):):):):):):) Syndrome spouts in The Incredibles. It's the equivocation fallacy--because two different meanings of "special" are being used. If you actually force a single meaning of "special" the whole idea falls flat--e.g. "If everyone has a unique ability possessed by no one else, then no one has a unique ability possessed by no one else." The only way it works is if it becomes statistical: "If everyone becomes above average [I]by the old average[/I], then no one is above average [I]by the new average.[/I]" But again, you have to sneak in that "old vs. new" distinction--the two specials aren't the same because they don't refer to the same population data anymore. (And it also overlooks the fact that, by having an average, there [I]almost certainly[/I] have to be some people who are below it and above it, because a population that was all EXACTLY at the mean would be incredibly unusual.) [/QUOTE]
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