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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6627684" data-attributes="member: 67338">can a system be fair if it's result is not...ok see here is the problem... 5 people walk up and plan to sit here every Friday night for the next year and play poker... before they start they set the rules as they all take chips and anty X amount who ever has the most chips at the end of the night takes the anty... before the first time they play they draw for high card... the highest card starts with the most chips every week for the year... just because they all have equal chance tonight doesn't make it fair in 6 weeks when again (like every week) player A starts with twice the chips player B does...or to get back to gaming...the 5 of us sit down to play D&amp;D every Friday night for a year, but before we play the first night we throw some dice, and randomly determain who has the moste powerful stats....If Player A is going to run Connan the Barbarian with 18 str 15 dex 16 Con 14 Int 16 Wis and 15 cha and player b is stuck with Bobby the barbarian 14 str 11 dex 12 con 10 int 13 wis 14 cha why can't player B say &quot;Hey, this isn't going to be fun for me...&quot;If player A sits down to run Gandalf the Grey with 15 str 15 dex 15 con 20 int 19 wis 18 cha, and player B gets stuck playing ron weasly with 12 str 9 dex 10 con 13 int 11 wis and 10 cha... he has every right to call the results unfair...If the DMs girl friend is playing a level 3/3 monk/battle master fighter named Xena with 17 str 20 dex 16 con 15 int 15 wis and 20 cha, and you get told to play jocksor the might the 2nd level fighter with 13 str 11 dex 12 con 9 int 9 wis and 10 cha... that is even worse... I don't care if you say &quot;well we rolled for level and she rolled a 6 ont eh d6 and he rolled a 2...he could have rolled a 6 also&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6627684, member: 67338"] can a system be fair if it's result is not... ok see here is the problem... 5 people walk up and plan to sit here every Friday night for the next year and play poker... before they start they set the rules as they all take chips and anty X amount who ever has the most chips at the end of the night takes the anty... before the first time they play they draw for high card... the highest card starts with the most chips every week for the year... just because they all have equal chance tonight doesn't make it fair in 6 weeks when again (like every week) player A starts with twice the chips player B does... or to get back to gaming... the 5 of us sit down to play D&D every Friday night for a year, but before we play the first night we throw some dice, and randomly determain who has the moste powerful stats.... If Player A is going to run Connan the Barbarian with 18 str 15 dex 16 Con 14 Int 16 Wis and 15 cha and player b is stuck with Bobby the barbarian 14 str 11 dex 12 con 10 int 13 wis 14 cha why can't player B say "Hey, this isn't going to be fun for me..." If player A sits down to run Gandalf the Grey with 15 str 15 dex 15 con 20 int 19 wis 18 cha, and player B gets stuck playing ron weasly with 12 str 9 dex 10 con 13 int 11 wis and 10 cha... he has every right to call the results unfair... If the DMs girl friend is playing a level 3/3 monk/battle master fighter named Xena with 17 str 20 dex 16 con 15 int 15 wis and 20 cha, and you get told to play jocksor the might the 2nd level fighter with 13 str 11 dex 12 con 9 int 9 wis and 10 cha... that is even worse... I don't care if you say "well we rolled for level and she rolled a 6 ont eh d6 and he rolled a 2...he could have rolled a 6 also" [/QUOTE]

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