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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 6628321" data-attributes="member: 545">When you are the new kind on the block and even when the players are basically honest and good guys, what they say may not turn out to be true.&nbsp; Look around this and similar threads and you can see that there are a lot of unofficial rules about giving the player another chance when the dice go bad.I had an experience where I was entering a campaign, I rolled up my stats and talked over my idea for the PC with the DM, but it ended up sucking eggs in actual play.&nbsp; I rolled using their official rules and had reasonable luck, but while my PC was the moral equivalent of 36 point buy (3e), every single other PC was the in the realm of 46+ point buy -- that one or two players would roll that well was plausible, but that 6 of 6 would do so, not so much.&nbsp; It was not just the stats, but a host of secret house rules that favored one kind of build over other kinds.&nbsp; It was a bit of a learning experience for both me and the DM, but we eventually worked it out.So, yes, if I were new to a group starting a fresh campaign, I would hold back and see how things unfolded during chargen.&nbsp; If not sure, it can be wise to see the lay of the land and then try to fit in.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 6628321, member: 545"] When you are the new kind on the block and even when the players are basically honest and good guys, what they say may not turn out to be true. Look around this and similar threads and you can see that there are a lot of unofficial rules about giving the player another chance when the dice go bad. I had an experience where I was entering a campaign, I rolled up my stats and talked over my idea for the PC with the DM, but it ended up sucking eggs in actual play. I rolled using their official rules and had reasonable luck, but while my PC was the moral equivalent of 36 point buy (3e), every single other PC was the in the realm of 46+ point buy -- that one or two players would roll that well was plausible, but that 6 of 6 would do so, not so much. It was not just the stats, but a host of secret house rules that favored one kind of build over other kinds. It was a bit of a learning experience for both me and the DM, but we eventually worked it out. So, yes, if I were new to a group starting a fresh campaign, I would hold back and see how things unfolded during chargen. If not sure, it can be wise to see the lay of the land and then try to fit in. [/QUOTE]

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