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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6628401" data-attributes="member: 6787650">(I'm temporarily revoking my ban on responding to GMforPowergamers in this thread now that the subject is substantive instead of personal.)I see three differences between character trees and "roll till you're happy":1.) It is substantially more work to fully create a character than to hit a "reroll" button. I can't imagine anyone creating more than 10 or so characters in a day. I think all of my players have only two or three PCs in their character tree at the moment.2.) If someone creates hundreds of "junk" PCs during character creation and donates them all to me as NPCs, I will happily take the opportunity to showcase how some of those junk PCs are actually pretty awesome in play. Normally I keep the focus mostly on monsters and not on PC types, but if I've got dozens of NPCs that the players are already familiar with I will not feel bad in the least about setting up a crack team of player-rejected PCs to loot the lost tomb before the PCs get there. (Or maybe I would do that offscreen during the backstory, and the PCs arrive to find a whole bunch of murdered ex-PC corpses arranged in grisly poses by the skeletal warriors who haunt the tomb.)3.) In practice, my players seem to develop emotional attachments to their PCs. As mentioned several times previously, one of my players has a Cha-11 (originally Cha-9) hobgoblin sorcerer in his stable. He is originally an NPC--has exactly average racial stats for a hobgoblin, plus free heavy armor proficiency and martial weapon proficiency and martial advantage. He is literally a bog-standard hobgoblin with Dragon Sorcerer 4 bolted on top. I've been quite frank with the players about the fact that playing with Grindle is playing D&D on Hard mode, and that if he ever becomes a full Cha-19 Sorcerer 20 it will be some kind of legendary epic event for the Hobgoblin race because they normally just aren't any good at magic at all. And yet he still gets trotted out for play occasionally. So my experience is quite different from yours--low stats characters do get put in play at my table.</blockquote>

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