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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Horwath" data-source="post: 8814028" data-attributes="member: 6801299">that is literally difference between life and death.wizards needs to survive a bad position for one round so it can reposition somehow or turn the tables.with 8 Con you cannot survive a round at 5th level or 10th level or whatever level.that is why I only saw 1 character in 5E with 12 Con in the games I played, all others were 14 con with few having 16.right now, I play in two campaigns, out of 10 characters, 9 have 14 con and one has 16.12 Con is risky, anything lower is suicide.</blockquote>