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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8815221" data-attributes="member: 29398">And I agree with this.&nbsp; The average across the board in most (close to all?) rolled groups would be higher than 25-point buy.&nbsp; Why's that?&nbsp; Because 25-point buy is, by most standards, very low.My benchmark is always the average of the six stats.&nbsp; 25-point buy can give an average just over 12 but only if all the stats are 12 or 13.&nbsp; Try giving yourself a 17 and a 15, say, and your average gets kicked in the teeth.&nbsp; (by comparison, standard array - which is even worse - gives a locked-in average of 12.00, if memory serves)Rolling 4d6k3 gives an overall average of about 12.25 but within that average it allows for a much greater variance.Further, context matters.&nbsp; In 3e-4e-5e bonuses start at 12; and penalties at 9.&nbsp; In 1e bonuses didn't start until 15 or 16, depending on stat, and penalties didn't start until 7 or 6.&nbsp; So if you're looking at this in a 1e context (where it's recommended by the designer a character start with at least two 15s) an average of 12 is quite low; where in a 5e context an average of 12 might well be enough to get you by.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8815221, member: 29398"] And I agree with this. The average across the board in most (close to all?) rolled groups would be higher than 25-point buy. Why's that? Because 25-point buy is, by most standards, very low. My benchmark is always the average of the six stats. 25-point buy can give an average just over 12 but only if all the stats are 12 or 13. Try giving yourself a 17 and a 15, say, and your average gets kicked in the teeth. (by comparison, standard array - which is even worse - gives a locked-in average of 12.00, if memory serves) Rolling 4d6k3 gives an overall average of about 12.25 but within that average it allows for a much greater variance. Further, context matters. In 3e-4e-5e bonuses start at 12; and penalties at 9. In 1e bonuses didn't start until 15 or 16, depending on stat, and penalties didn't start until 7 or 6. So if you're looking at this in a 1e context (where it's recommended by the designer a character start with at least two 15s) an average of 12 is quite low; where in a 5e context an average of 12 might well be enough to get you by. [/QUOTE]

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