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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8815472" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I think you need to use some kind of floor when you roll.  In my experience a character having spectacular rolls is not a problem as long as all players have at least workable rolls.  So  either put in some rules  where you throw  it  out if  it is not at least XXX or you have some minimums on 1 or 2 stats of the characters choice (choose before you roll) or have some way to add points if the total is below a threshold.If you think about it characters already get unbalanced due to the way magic drops - a legendary sword is going to make the fighter OP, a Staff of Power will make the Wizard OP, girdle of Giant Strength are going to  take that 8 strength Rogue with a 27 point buy to a 21 strength Rogue which is the equivalent of 46 point buy.  So Standard array or point buy does not really fix wide variations in character power, some directly related to ability scores (like the Rogue I mentioned), but as long as some players are good enough to contribute it  is ok.I have some recent experience in this - I just finished a 1-13 campaign where my rolled character (Rogue with cleric dip) was awful and the DM just let me take standard array instead.   We had a Warlock that started with a 20 Charisma and picked up a tome that made it 22 at some point.  Our Wizard had more hit points than I did.  Our Paladin started with an 18 strength.  I still had a ton of fun in that campaign, it was arguably the most fun campaign I have played in 5E and it certainly was the longest that I finished (went from January 21 to October 22).  I was outshined in combat hands down, but I picked up feats and creative play to mitigate that.  I did not spend any ASIs  on dex,  I picked up magic initiate to use booming blade and Martial Adept to be able to use quick toss  and either throw a cleric spell ir use channel divinint. I also focused a lot on my out of combat abilities, I put a +1 on the 15 (dex) and a +2 on the 12 (Charisma).  This gave me 2 14s and a 13 which I put in Wisdom, Charisma and Intelligence to be at least ok at all the skills, I put one of my expertises on Athletics to counter the 8 strength.  I took  half elf, got the Archeologist background with cartographers tools to get the ability to chart courses over the tundra with ease, understand who built every dungeon we entered and appraise much of our treasure. I took scout subclass, by the end I had proficiency in 10 skills, with expertise in 6 of them and that included expertise in deception to outshine our 22 Charisma Warlock, expertise in Stealth and Athletics and expertise in Nature and Survival adding in guidance frequently from my cleric dip and I was a skill machine.  At the end I think I had +7 Athletics, +9 Investigation, +6 Perception, +10 Deception, +6 Persuasion, +9 Nature, +10 Survival, +11 Stealth,  +5 History, +6 Animal Handling and a +1/+2 or +3 in the remaining skills.  With reliable talent and guidance that is an automatic pass on medium for all of those and close to an automatic pass on hard for most. So in combat I was a bit player, and made sure to play my part, but out of combat I was a master.</blockquote>

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