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Message: <blockquote data-quote="anonystu" data-source="post: 1170710" data-attributes="member: 10897">I wrote a while back about the vis expenditure being possibly very dangerous up front. I think this is still the case: we should carefully broach whether these books will still be available later, because we're really setting up our covenant first. (Hopefully, the answer is sure!)Why? Because our local vis is really really variable: will we find lots of vis in our area? Will we find only a little, and have to spend lots and lots of time hunting for more? Will we only just find a minimum amount? Who knows, but regardless, there are many, up-front, must do kind of things: Aegis of the Hearth being the obvious one, unless we want our covenant obliterated by a wandering Flambeau mage, and those will require lots of vis. Potentially, if early vis searching goes poorly, nearly all of it, when you throw in other useful rituals to do.That's why, both my min/maxing beast and Daniela will be in favor of trying to hold off spending vis until we have a good idea what we're taking in, and what we're losing. CP, can you get around to that vis summary thing you told me before, but forget?</blockquote>