Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Million Dollar TTRPG Crowdfunders
Most Anticipated Tabletop RPGs Of The Year
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
ShortQuests -- Pocket Sized Adventures! An all-new collection of digest-sized D&D adventures designed for 1-2 game sessions.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Artificer Scrolls - Can they be arcane or divine?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Timeboxer" data-source="post: 1656034" data-attributes="member: 21471"><p>I still can't figure this out; apologies if it's been brought up before.</p><p></p><p>Now, as far as I can tell, there are two types of scrolls, arcane or divine, and the artificer can emulate any spell to create any magic item (given the appropriate feats), so she should be able to make arcane and divine scrolls.</p><p></p><p>However, the <em>Eberron Campaign Setting</em> suggests that the artificer has no access to any actual arcane or divine magicks, and so any spell she emulates is, I suppose, untyped. And I remember someone mentioning somewhere that Keith Baker is of the opinion that artificer scrolls are in fact untyped raw magic, but then this brings in the problem of whether wizards and clerics can cast from them at all...</p><p></p><p>Tied up with all this is the entire "Can wizards scribe artificer scrolls?" question, which this problem is probably reducible to. Apparently some people have a problem with the idea of artificers making arcane/divine scrolls, because it means that the wizard can have access to any spell he wants just by asking the artificer for it -- thus, presumably, allowing the GMs to limit spell access to wizards.</p><p></p><p>Personally I think this makes perfect sense to me, though, because it's not like the artificer is working with some "third" type of magic, for which we thus need a new variety of scroll. It seems like they understand magic in different ways but that ultimately the artificer can interact with it however she likes:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Wizard:</strong> "Say, is there any chance that you could scribe me a scroll of the <em>fireball</em> dweomer?"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Artificer:</strong> "Oh, you mean the iconic instantiation, propulsion, and detonation of a quantum of elemental fire in a conflagration radiating twenty feet?"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Wizard:</strong> "...uh, right."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So, anyway. Are artificer scrolls arcane or divine, and if not, <em>can</em> they be arcane or divine?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Timeboxer, post: 1656034, member: 21471"] I still can't figure this out; apologies if it's been brought up before. Now, as far as I can tell, there are two types of scrolls, arcane or divine, and the artificer can emulate any spell to create any magic item (given the appropriate feats), so she should be able to make arcane and divine scrolls. However, the [I]Eberron Campaign Setting[/I] suggests that the artificer has no access to any actual arcane or divine magicks, and so any spell she emulates is, I suppose, untyped. And I remember someone mentioning somewhere that Keith Baker is of the opinion that artificer scrolls are in fact untyped raw magic, but then this brings in the problem of whether wizards and clerics can cast from them at all... Tied up with all this is the entire "Can wizards scribe artificer scrolls?" question, which this problem is probably reducible to. Apparently some people have a problem with the idea of artificers making arcane/divine scrolls, because it means that the wizard can have access to any spell he wants just by asking the artificer for it -- thus, presumably, allowing the GMs to limit spell access to wizards. Personally I think this makes perfect sense to me, though, because it's not like the artificer is working with some "third" type of magic, for which we thus need a new variety of scroll. It seems like they understand magic in different ways but that ultimately the artificer can interact with it however she likes: [INDENT][B]Wizard:[/B] "Say, is there any chance that you could scribe me a scroll of the [I]fireball[/I] dweomer?" [B]Artificer:[/B] "Oh, you mean the iconic instantiation, propulsion, and detonation of a quantum of elemental fire in a conflagration radiating twenty feet?" [B]Wizard:[/B] "...uh, right." [/INDENT] So, anyway. Are artificer scrolls arcane or divine, and if not, [I]can[/I] they be arcane or divine? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Artificer Scrolls - Can they be arcane or divine?
Top