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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zephyrus" data-source="post: 1642372" data-attributes="member: 8728">@ 1st level 4 Ranks +2 Cha + 2 Artisan Bonus = +8 vs DC 20 or 20+CL (+0 to +3)@ 2nd level 5 Ranks +2 Cha +2 Artisan Bonus +2 Synergy = +11 vs DC 20 or 20+CL (+0 to +4)@ 3rd level 6 Ranks +2 Cha +2 Artisan Bonus +2 Synergy +3 Skill Focus = +15 vs DC 20 or 20+CL (+0 to +5)The Above assumes only a 14 Charisma (+2 Charsima Modifier). Its entirely possible to have a +3 or even +4 Modifier with a 16 or 18 ability score. If the above was a Human Sorcerer and I had a 18.. I'd have it in Charisma. That would increase the above Cha bonus's from +2 to +4 making it a +10 at 1st level and without using any feats. That is roughly a 50% chance of success of using the use magic device skill to activate a Wand or a 45% chance to use a Caster Level 1 Scroll. You'd also have two chances at 45% chance of success to create a Caster Level 1 scroll. At 2nd level your bonus increases by +3 (+1 Rank and +2 Synergy). A Artificer should reasonably have 5 ranks in Spellcraft in order to get the UMD synergy. Your able to make potions now but fundamentally your DC's are still roughly the same. DC 20 to use a wand or 20+Caster Level to Use or Create a scroll or brew a potion. With a Charisma modifier of +2 this makes Caster Level 1 checks a 10 or better. a 8 or better with a Cha modifier of +4. In both brewing and scribing scrolls it takes 1 day so you'd have 2 chances to emulate. At 3rd level your bonus would increase by +1 more unless you too Magical Appritude or Skill Focus (UMD). at 3rd level these are not unreasonable to take. Expecially when you'll get several bonus feats for Metamagic and Artificer Feats. with Skill Focus (UMD) and a +2 Charisma your looking a 10 or better to create Caster Level 5 Scrolls, Potions and Wonderous Items! That means on a 55% chance of success to make Scrolls of Fire Ball (Admitantly they'd only do 3d6 each but you could still make them). Lower level scrolls, potions and items are almost a sure thing with a +15 bonus. With a 18 Charisma thats a +17 bonus (+14 w/o Skill Focus). It, and I Think I've said it before.. it appears that Crafting Items at your Highest posiable crafter level (since its your level +2) generally results on average of needing a 10 or 11 to succeed and having at least 2 chances to do so minimum. More chances once your making wonderous items that cost more than 1000gp as it takes more than one day to make them. As far as the Metamagic Spell Trigger and Spell Completion. by the time you get the class abilities you'll have a Use Magic Device Skill capable of  meeting the DC's nessisary to use them with a moderate to high chance of success depending on the metamagic your using. Also.. consider this... A wonderous item could be made for 2,500gp that would give a +5 bonus to UMD rolls (Skill Modifier squared x 100gp, Compare to Ring of Jumping). a +5 Bonuns to UMD is HUGE! in the hands of a Artificer. Be careful of handing out or allowing one to be made.</blockquote>

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