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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1076831" data-attributes="member: 13098">*nod*  More importantly, there isn't any guesswork behind it.  Let me see if I can remember item creation rules w/o referring to the books.  I am at work, so if my memory is way off, please pardon me.Control weather: 7th level spell @ 13th level for minimum caster level.  We will say spell completion since it has a command word.  And 1/day.7*13*1800*(1/5) =  32760  Endure Elements: 1st level spell @ 1st level for minimum caster level.  This is a Use-Activated since it is always in effect.1*1*2000 = 2000Storm of Vengenace: 9th level spell @ 17th level for minimum caster level.  This is a spell completion effect.9*17*1800 = 275400 with some sort of discount to accomodate the 1/month affect.Of course, we have already costed 34760 of the 48000 base cost.  That gives us 13240 gp to work with.  So, the presumed discount for 1/month is 13240/275400 or a multiplier of .048.And that is without considering that since this item does not take up a space limitation, it is supposed to be twice as expensive!  IMHO - This is one of the worst case examples of where item creation rules break down in the core rules.  Yet, your system accomodates it.  As a player, I like to go for the unusual items.  As a GM, I like to encourage my players to go for neat items.  I am going to have to take a second look at Artificer's Handbook.  Unfortunately, I can't persuse it at the LGS, since they are just not a great store.  On the other hand, I do have an online source I can probably pick it up from.  And since he provides more help/advice/service in the few emails I have had with him online, than my LGS has to me personally in the past 8 years, I am more than happy to take that route!</blockquote>

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