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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phlebas" data-source="post: 3528553" data-attributes="member: 23810">Personally I'm not a big fan of rolling any secret dice after an unfortunate incident with a hold person, darkness and NPC drow assassin killed someones favourite character without them rolling a dice.... and the six months of whinging that followed from the player.I use a similar logic of take 10 for both PC's and NPC's to speed things up, but if the player is deliberately suspicuous / hunting around / paying careful attention then i let him / her roll in plain sight regardless of wether there's anything to roll against (its actually quite fun to watch the rogues face when she announces a spot of 35 and I tell them about the speck of dust on the hem of her dress and she realises they've wasted a good roll.....) after a while they get bored of rolling every time and try to focus which speeds things up for everyone. If you want the variety that dice rolls can bring  use Misdirection -  make the sense motive check and then announce to a player they notice a portrait on the wall. players assume its a spot check and carry on as before.... you can also ask the players to make the d20 rolls and use the same logic to announce something completely unrelated if its not high enough.</blockquote>