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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8122155" data-attributes="member: 16814">Creating the exact same characters during session zero would be worse, honestly.&nbsp; At that point, you've made a more conscious decision to completely ignore the hooks the GM is offering into the setting and adventure than if you just do it beforehand. I feel there's some additional information hiding in the gaps here.&nbsp; When you say you discussed the characters and the GM was present, what format was this in?&nbsp; Was it after a session online, or in chat, or some other social media?&nbsp; How involved was the GM in your character discussion -- so far we have you saying the GM was present and the GM saying they explicitly said (and you've acknowledged) to not make characters prior to session zero.&nbsp; Right now, it really reads like you're trying to use the GM's presence during pre-session zero discussion to justify completely ignoring the instructions on character generation.&nbsp; And, now, you're presenting an argument that the exact same characters would have been created during session zero even if there had been no pre-session discussion or planning.&nbsp; I can even understand this last argument -- it makes no sense to me.&nbsp; You're saying that all the players would have done exactly the same thing even if they had no pre-conceived concepts and had played the planned character creation mini-game.&nbsp; That suggests that it wouldn't matter to the players what was being presented in any way -- they'd still just do whatever they wanted.&nbsp; Which is the actual point of the thread -- why indicate you've bought into a concept if you're going to ignore it?Further, you've indicated that you'd actually read the adventure setting.&nbsp; Yet, you still created a character that had no connection to that setting and then stated you became dissatisfied because your background -- again, unrelated to the adventure or adventure setting -- had not been made important by the GM.&nbsp; This is, again, directly in line with the OP complaint.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8122155, member: 16814"] Creating the exact same characters during session zero would be worse, honestly. At that point, you've made a more conscious decision to completely ignore the hooks the GM is offering into the setting and adventure than if you just do it beforehand. I feel there's some additional information hiding in the gaps here. When you say you discussed the characters and the GM was present, what format was this in? Was it after a session online, or in chat, or some other social media? How involved was the GM in your character discussion -- so far we have you saying the GM was present and the GM saying they explicitly said (and you've acknowledged) to not make characters prior to session zero. Right now, it really reads like you're trying to use the GM's presence during pre-session zero discussion to justify completely ignoring the instructions on character generation. And, now, you're presenting an argument that the exact same characters would have been created during session zero even if there had been no pre-session discussion or planning. I can even understand this last argument -- it makes no sense to me. You're saying that all the players would have done exactly the same thing even if they had no pre-conceived concepts and had played the planned character creation mini-game. That suggests that it wouldn't matter to the players what was being presented in any way -- they'd still just do whatever they wanted. Which is the actual point of the thread -- why indicate you've bought into a concept if you're going to ignore it? Further, you've indicated that you'd actually read the adventure setting. Yet, you still created a character that had no connection to that setting and then stated you became dissatisfied because your background -- again, unrelated to the adventure or adventure setting -- had not been made important by the GM. This is, again, directly in line with the OP complaint. [/QUOTE]

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