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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8122242" data-attributes="member: 6801228">If the DM was present, heard the entire conversation the players were having where they designed their characters, and disapproved of that action... why did he wait until the next session to raise objections? Because it was pre-zero that this conversation happened. So, if he disapproved, this was within plenty of time to say so.Just to make sure we are clear, it was not only "it was habit for this player" it was additionally "habit for this group with this DM." Not sure if that changes your opinion, but if I'm the guy who brings pepsi to the game, and I always bring pepsi to the game. And the DM asks me to not bring Pepsi... It is fairly likely that if I bring it, it is because I'm in the habit of doing so, and forgot, rather than choosing to purposefully ignore him.Wow, again, we seem to be shifting gears a lot here.The DM wants a connection between the two characters.Players: "I hired him to protect me"You: "That is nothing, no connection, no loyalty. There is no way for me to leverage this against you." I mean... you didn't ask them to have a personal, loyal connection and deeply held feelings for each other. You just asked for a connection, and a contractual connection is an connection. If you want them to be secret lovers or something, you need to ask for more than "just have a connection"And.... how is "it works in any town" a criticism? I made a character who was a town guard once. He could have been a town guard in any town. I could have made it work if the setting suddenly shifted, does that mean I'm not connected to the town I'm in? I mean, what if a player came with "I'm the former mayors son, and I grew up in this town helping the people through many difficult times?" That could be any town. Does that somehow make this less of an embedded story? And attacking that his motivation was money? Are we now demanding that the PCs have not only the proper proficiencies, and the proper connections, but also the proper motivations? You've moved into wanting such highly specific things, do you truly demand so much from your players?I've read through your little mini-game three times. Do you know what I don't see? Any reason at all that it can not work with characters that have partial backstories already created. I see no reason that what you describe could not have been done with characters that are more than 85% completed. In fact, having mostly finished characters would seem to make that game easier, since they have hooks and connection points in their stories already.</blockquote>

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