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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 5095587" data-attributes="member: 6562">So you think the optimization forums were empty until the Expertise feats came along? They weren't. There were plenty of ways to be better before those feats came along. The fact that those feats must be in every CharOp build says something bad about those feats, not about CharOp.Let's say it this way: if Expertise is allowed, it is the most optimal feat in the game for any character (except the concept &quot;I suck at my chosen role&quot;, of course).&nbsp;This is true, though. It very much is an arms-race issue, which means it's completely viable to ban the feats and compensate in monster defenses.Unfortunately, the convenient tools WotC gives you to aid your game all participate in the arms race: their monster builder creations will &quot;compensate&quot; for the Expertise feats. Also, new racial powers give a +3/+6/+9 attack bonus, instead of the PHB 1 &amp; 2 bonus progression (+2/+4/+6), for example. The game already assumes everyone always adds Expertise.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 5095587, member: 6562"] So you think the optimization forums were [b]empty[/b] until the Expertise feats came along? They weren't. There were plenty of ways to be [b]better[/b] before those feats came along. The fact that those feats must be in every CharOp build says something bad about those feats, not about CharOp. Let's say it this way: if Expertise is allowed, it is the most optimal feat in the game for any character (except the concept "I suck at my chosen role", of course). This is true, though. It very much is an arms-race issue, which means it's completely viable to ban the feats and compensate in monster defenses. Unfortunately, the convenient tools WotC gives you to aid your game all participate in the arms race: their monster builder creations will "compensate" for the Expertise feats. Also, new racial powers give a +3/+6/+9 attack bonus, instead of the PHB 1 & 2 bonus progression (+2/+4/+6), for example. The game already assumes everyone always adds Expertise. Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]

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