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<blockquote data-quote="fuindordm" data-source="post: 6679672" data-attributes="member: 5435">Doesn't that just push the problems of QM down a level? Instead of matter particles having a wave nature, this postulates a new field in nature that can supply the waves, and then you have to think about what this field is made of and how it interacts with different kinds of matter particles...and in the end you don't do any better than standard QM because the predictions are still probabilistic and you still can't explain how the wave collapses to an eigenstate at the point of measurement.It's kind of like dark matter: as long as you don't understand something, you might as well make the theory as simple as possible with one unknown rather than a hodgepodge of alternative explanations for the different types of observations that call for dark matter. QM is not simple, but the pilot wave seems like a big complication with no real payoff--the particles might have a deterministic veneer but the nature of reality described by the theory is no more deterministic than before.But maybe I'm not remembering enough details, and the theory is better than I think. Did any of its proponents have a good candidate for the pilot wave?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fuindordm, post: 6679672, member: 5435"] Doesn't that just push the problems of QM down a level? Instead of matter particles having a wave nature, this postulates a new field in nature that can supply the waves, and then you have to think about what this field is made of and how it interacts with different kinds of matter particles...and in the end you don't do any better than standard QM because the predictions are still probabilistic and you still can't explain how the wave collapses to an eigenstate at the point of measurement. It's kind of like dark matter: as long as you don't understand something, you might as well make the theory as simple as possible with one unknown rather than a hodgepodge of alternative explanations for the different types of observations that call for dark matter. QM is not simple, but the pilot wave seems like a big complication with no real payoff--the particles might have a deterministic veneer but the nature of reality described by the theory is no more deterministic than before. But maybe I'm not remembering enough details, and the theory is better than I think. Did any of its proponents have a good candidate for the pilot wave? [/QUOTE]

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