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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6706653" data-attributes="member: 177">Oh, that's easy - because we don't actually care about the clock.&nbsp; You see, clocks are made by people.&nbsp; They don't exist naturally.&nbsp;&nbsp; Therefore, the nature of the universe *must be independent of clocks*!&nbsp; Time and distance exist whether or not we have instruments to measure them!&nbsp; Well, that is one of the base assumptions - that the basic laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference.&nbsp; If you want to consider that it is incorrect - have at you.&nbsp; Find the place it isn't true, and maybe the Nobel Committee will give you an award.However... go out on a clear night (hopefully away from a city) and look up.&nbsp; What do you see?&nbsp; Stars.If we accept that the laws of time and space vary from place to place, we accept the likely need to come up with a unique explanation for each and every star.&nbsp; When we see so many very similar phenomenon, everywhere we look, it rather strains credulity that the laws aren't the same all over the place.&nbsp; Moreover, we can see very well that the laws of the universe hold pretty uniformly over this rock that we shall, for convenience, call &quot;Earth&quot;, and, in fact, over the space of the solar system - we have sent out devices with measuring equipment, and they continue to operate as expected, without huge anomalies that can't be explained.&nbsp; So - the laws are all the same in our neighborhood.&nbsp; And in our galaxy.&nbsp; If there's some place in our sight that's substantially different, we should be able to see the difference when we look out into space.&nbsp; But we don't.&nbsp; So, the observable universe seems to have the same laws.That's not enough for you?&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; Tough crowd.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6706653, member: 177"] Oh, that's easy - because we don't actually care about the clock. You see, clocks are made by people. They don't exist naturally. Therefore, the nature of the universe *must be independent of clocks*! Time and distance exist whether or not we have instruments to measure them! Well, that is one of the base assumptions - that the basic laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference. If you want to consider that it is incorrect - have at you. Find the place it isn't true, and maybe the Nobel Committee will give you an award. However... go out on a clear night (hopefully away from a city) and look up. What do you see? Stars. If we accept that the laws of time and space vary from place to place, we accept the likely need to come up with a unique explanation for each and every star. When we see so many very similar phenomenon, everywhere we look, it rather strains credulity that the laws aren't the same all over the place. Moreover, we can see very well that the laws of the universe hold pretty uniformly over this rock that we shall, for convenience, call "Earth", and, in fact, over the space of the solar system - we have sent out devices with measuring equipment, and they continue to operate as expected, without huge anomalies that can't be explained. So - the laws are all the same in our neighborhood. And in our galaxy. If there's some place in our sight that's substantially different, we should be able to see the difference when we look out into space. But we don't. So, the observable universe seems to have the same laws. That's not enough for you? Wow. Tough crowd. [/QUOTE]

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