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<blockquote data-quote="GMMichael" data-source="post: 8445728" data-attributes="member: 6685730">For what it's worth, the Basic Rules present checks in this order:&quot; . . . The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster attempts an action (other than an attack) that has a chance of failure . . . &quot;&quot; . . . the DM decides which of the six abilities is relevant to the task at hand . . . &quot;&quot; . . . Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill—for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check.&quot;So yeah, if you've been asking for &quot;Perception&quot; checks, you've been doing the badwrongfun.Interestingly, they suggest that attack rolls don't follow the same rules as ability checks.&nbsp; But the attack roll uses a relevant ability and adds your proficiency bonus if you're proficient with the weapon...so I'm not quite sure what that attack disclaimer was about.Leave it to the people who played 3e and 4e for years and years.And somewhat less than 90% of the time, the PC will actually have the proficiency the DM is asking for.&nbsp; Which of these thought processes are easier?<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The DM called for a Wisdom check.&nbsp; I'll roll it.&nbsp; I wish I had proficiency in Perception.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The DM called for a Perception check.&nbsp; I don't have proficiency in Perception.&nbsp; Its relevant ability is Wisdom.&nbsp; I'll roll that instead.</li>
</ul>Linking all skills and abilities may be simple, but it creates a problem: what happens when the action you're attempting isn't related to a skill?&nbsp; Or worse, when it's not related to an ability?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMMichael, post: 8445728, member: 6685730"] For what it's worth, the Basic Rules present checks in this order: " . . . The DM calls for an ability check when a character or monster attempts an action (other than an attack) that has a chance of failure . . . " " . . . the DM decides which of the six abilities is relevant to the task at hand . . . " " . . . Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill—for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check." So yeah, if you've been asking for "Perception" checks, you've been doing the badwrongfun. Interestingly, they suggest that attack rolls don't follow the same rules as ability checks. But the attack roll uses a relevant ability and adds your proficiency bonus if you're proficient with the weapon...so I'm not quite sure what that attack disclaimer was about. Leave it to the people who played 3e and 4e for years and years. And somewhat less than 90% of the time, the PC will actually have the proficiency the DM is asking for. Which of these thought processes are easier? [LIST] [*]The DM called for a Wisdom check. I'll roll it. I wish I had proficiency in Perception. [*]The DM called for a Perception check. I don't have proficiency in Perception. Its relevant ability is Wisdom. I'll roll that instead. [/LIST] Linking all skills and abilities may be simple, but it creates a problem: what happens when the action you're attempting isn't related to a skill? Or worse, when it's not related to an ability? [/QUOTE]

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