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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 173936" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hi all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Sorry I'm late to this party - but the boards have been too busy for me to access these past 24 hours+ <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Anyway...</p><p></p><p><strong>Firstly</strong> the Demon Princes/Archdukes <strong>are</strong> (or have the capacity to be) gods. Any being that is worshipped is technically a god. Though in D&D terms a certain amount of worship should be required to produce tangible results. So its anachronistic (for Monte Cook - in recent comments) to state that the Demon Princes are not gods...but they have their worshippers!</p><p></p><p>Somehow Cthulhu can have cultists and Demigod status whereas Demogorgon can't!?</p><p></p><p>Somehow Kurtulmak can be worshipped by kobolds and be considered an Intermediate God whereas Yeenoghu, worshipped by gnolls, can't!?</p><p></p><p>Blatant double standards everywhere you turn! The only possible explanation being either a conscious or subconscious throwback to the flawed 2nd Ed. code of ethics.</p><p></p><p>A <strong>second</strong> problem arises when you muck about with the Outer Planes hierarchy as presented in 1st ed. Namely how would such beings, if mere Quasi/Hero-deities, repel 'true' deities - especially Intermediate and Greater Powers; from usurping their realms? Answer - they couldn't!? The Demon Princes and Archdevils would become <em>mere</em> puppets dancing to the tune of superior infernal masters (namely the gods) - which is fair enough in itself but not really representative of the might and majesty previously conveyed in 1st Ed.</p><p></p><p>Hi Chris! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Out of context; simply fighting Demogorgon or Orcus would be lame - I agree.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the fact that a party of 25th-level characters were able to beat them shows a severe disrespect for the power such beings (should) command - no doubt represented by fledgeling statistics.</p><p></p><p>Didn't someone intimate that during d20 Call of Cthulhu (D&D phase) playtesting that Cthulhu killed 13 20th-level characters before being <em>merely</em> banished!</p><p></p><p>Are we therefore to assume that Demogorgon and Orcus are represented as not much better than Solars - if so; why were you surprised when the 25th-level party defeated them?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 173936, member: 326"] Hi all! :) Sorry I'm late to this party - but the boards have been too busy for me to access these past 24 hours+ :( Anyway... [b]Firstly[/b] the Demon Princes/Archdukes [b]are[/b] (or have the capacity to be) gods. Any being that is worshipped is technically a god. Though in D&D terms a certain amount of worship should be required to produce tangible results. So its anachronistic (for Monte Cook - in recent comments) to state that the Demon Princes are not gods...but they have their worshippers! Somehow Cthulhu can have cultists and Demigod status whereas Demogorgon can't!? Somehow Kurtulmak can be worshipped by kobolds and be considered an Intermediate God whereas Yeenoghu, worshipped by gnolls, can't!? Blatant double standards everywhere you turn! The only possible explanation being either a conscious or subconscious throwback to the flawed 2nd Ed. code of ethics. A [b]second[/b] problem arises when you muck about with the Outer Planes hierarchy as presented in 1st ed. Namely how would such beings, if mere Quasi/Hero-deities, repel 'true' deities - especially Intermediate and Greater Powers; from usurping their realms? Answer - they couldn't!? The Demon Princes and Archdevils would become [i]mere[/i] puppets dancing to the tune of superior infernal masters (namely the gods) - which is fair enough in itself but not really representative of the might and majesty previously conveyed in 1st Ed. Hi Chris! :) Out of context; simply fighting Demogorgon or Orcus would be lame - I agree. Regarding the fact that a party of 25th-level characters were able to beat them shows a severe disrespect for the power such beings (should) command - no doubt represented by fledgeling statistics. Didn't someone intimate that during d20 Call of Cthulhu (D&D phase) playtesting that Cthulhu killed 13 20th-level characters before being [i]merely[/i] banished! Are we therefore to assume that Demogorgon and Orcus are represented as not much better than Solars - if so; why were you surprised when the 25th-level party defeated them? [/QUOTE]
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